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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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gene Steinberg

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with gene and Chris on the power cast we

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have a show today that will probably be

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quite controversial as we'll explain in

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a few moments right now read a piece

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this week at mysterious universe org

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from Nick Redfern and the title kind of

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says it the Roswell UFO hiatus or change

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and what Nick is saying basically is

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that we're reduced to arguing my new

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details such as the Providence of the

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Raimi memo or the size of the crash area

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and minor alterations and eyewitness

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testimony but nothing there is actually

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getting us closer to figuring out what

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landed at Roswell and what happened to

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whatever Landers were crashed at Roswell

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and that's it none of this stuff is

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helping us get there it's just a lot of

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nonsense which is really filling time

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but we're kind of at a point now where

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how do you get more information we had

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of course the topic that shall not be

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named the Roswell slides where I had

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nothing to do with Roswell even if it

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wasn't the body of a mummy the point

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being here is that it sounds like we're

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just being desperate for new information

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and how can we ever get new information

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about Roswell unless something is stuck

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in an attic somewhere yeah I just think

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it's just emblematic of what's wrong

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with the field of ufology and I more

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time passes by the more water under the

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bridge the more that I'm coming to the

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realization that this this field is

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probably going to die with the

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generation that grew up with it

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initially in the 50s I just have a sense

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that there's too much mudding of the

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waters with the CGI in photoshopping of

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images and footage there's too much

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reliance on the media to formulate our

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idealized view of what these what these

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craft number one look like and number

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two their performance characteristics

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and and number three the reason why

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they're here and who's piling them there

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I think that this is just you know once

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again and I think today's show is going

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to illustrate straight this point as

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well I think that this whole field is is

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on its deathbed and unless we really are

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able to come up with new and different

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ways to gather hard data and interpret

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the the data that we have gathered

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already properly if there's I don't even

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think that's even possible but if it is

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possible we need to be concentrating on

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on new and different things I absolutely

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agree with Greg Bishop that we need to

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end our reliance on collective thinking

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along these various subjects that I've

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just just off the top of my head popped

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off I think we need to become creative

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thinkers and and really start thinking

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out of the box because there is no hope

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and I you know I haven't read Nick's

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article but but based on your your brief

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summary of it I would absolutely agree

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there's no there's no nothing to be

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gained out of flogging a horse that is

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so dead and rotten and in in in pieces

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by now and desiccated in the desert you

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know we're not gonna get that that old

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nag up and get her pulling loads again

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there's just no way and I'm getting more

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and more jaded and cynical as time goes

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on and the more books I read the more

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Facebook posts I see the more TV shows

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that I observed with a jaundiced eye

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it's pretty hopeless and unless someone

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like a ray Stamper can get as his

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proverbial act together and in summing

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up the whatever reserves of willpower

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encourage it you know or surmount

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whatever obstacles he's placed in his

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own way to get his information out there

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I've almost had it with this whole

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subject I really have it's just it's

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just so filled with with pop culture

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misinterpretation and quasi religious

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belief that it's it's I'm losing my

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interest in the subject pretty rapidly

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at this point well one of the things we

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should do

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not talk about these old cases over and

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over again

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now the other week we had Stan Gordon

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who was a great guest but suddenly he

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gets lost in Kecksburg again and that

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case goes back what to the 1960s and I

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don't know that there's really anything

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new about it we can look over individual

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aspects of it and talk about the minut

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details all over again but there's

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nothing though it's the same old case we

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could look back at any of the cases from

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the 50s and 60s and it's the same

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situation Rendlesham hmm maybe sort of

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but I don't think a lot of new stuff

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yeah I think there is a real window of

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opportunity that needs to be utilized

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properly I think with any case and the

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more time goes by I think less likely it

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is to really you know that you can

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really ascertain anything new and

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different about a case and the in

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Roswell of course is the is the obvious

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example of of just you know III consider

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a lot of these old cases red herrings to

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keep people focused on the right hand

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while the left hand is having its way

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and I don't think enough work is being

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done to try to pierce the veil of

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secrecy behind the level of technology

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that undoubtedly exists somewhere in a

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covert way in in the black world and I

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really it's such a Hall of Mirrors with

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a quicksand floor that unless somebody

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really comes up with something just

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bombshell in the before-mentioned mr.

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Stanford you know I really do feel it he

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has something to share but but you know

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he's got to do something and he's got to

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do it fairly quickly because he's not

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getting any younger so you know I think

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that again this whole field is gonna die

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a quick death I equated almost with you

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know in a similar way with what's

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happening on Native American

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reservations and in and in other

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indigenous cultures as soon as this

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current generation of traditionals dies

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off a major chunk of the cultures will

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be lost and I I think a lot of that can

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carry through when looking at the the

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either field of ufology if you fool Ajit

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I think as many people now refer to it I

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think the same is gonna gonna hold true

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there and unless we get some real

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hotshot kids that are really digging and

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coming up with new out-of-the-box ways

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to approach the subject I don't I don't

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see it really continuing much longer and

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definitely not in the form that it's it

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is now with butts in the seats and

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conferences and and book and DVD sales

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and that sort of thing I you know I just

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I I just think they it's that paradigm

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is is it's time is over and you know I'm

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hoping that mr. Jacobs or dr. Jacobs

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today will will you know maybe pull me

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in some sort of positive direction am I

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thinking I just feel really down on the

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subject lately I I don't I don't know

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maybe it's just me and if that you know

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irritate some of our listeners so be it

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come up with some way to change my mind

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get out of your armchairs you know start

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put your thinking caps on and start

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coming up with some new and novel ways

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to approach the subject you know prove

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me wrong and if if you can't you know

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keep quiet okay our guest this week is

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dr. David Jacobs and he has a new book

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out called walking among us the alien

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plan to control humanity oh boy this

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sounds pretty extreme so we're gonna

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find out what he's talking about yeah

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but also painting the picture overall of

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his research and how he gets there but

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there's one thing we're not going to

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talk about and he's had this ongoing

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fire battle with an abductee that he

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tried to help one time an abductee from

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the other side of the world I will not

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mention that person's name because it

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opens a proverbial can of worms I don't

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want to enter that door because it's

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useless it's not going to get us

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anywhere in figuring out what's

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happening whether UFO abductions does

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represent some kind of alien covert

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invasion or something else entirely and

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as I said this is a pretty extreme view

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of the situation and we're going to ask

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some careful questions of dr. Jacobs

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remember he's been at this game for a

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number of years he has a lot of people

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who support his meth

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I just worry about conclusions like that

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worry about our new lifetime

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joining us on this week's episode we

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haven't talked with him for several

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years so just want to see how you're

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getting along dr. Jacobs I see a guy new

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book out that we'll talk about shortly

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but before we do that how does an

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historian get involved in UFO abductions

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you know actually there have been very

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few historians in UFO history who've

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been involved not only with abductions

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but with with the UFO phenomenon in

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general so the answer is I don't know I

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got interested in the subject of UFOs

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sometime in 1965-66 I know that when my

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wife and I drove from UCLA where we were

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undergraduates to University of

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wisconsin-madison I was already heavily

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heavily imbued with the subject and when

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I got there I eventually joined the

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aerial phenomena research organization

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Jim and Cora Lorentz group this is long

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before a MUFON well I'll tell you

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something about a pro and cora Lorenzen

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I had a few as they say encounters with

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her that were not so pleasant but let's

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go on so right they were extremely

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gracious to me as a student in all that

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and when I did research in their files

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actually I

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tried to Flying Saucer review which was

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the best periodical in the kind of world

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about the subject and all that and

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that's it's all I thought about now

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I wrote my master's thesis on the

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introduction of Freudianism

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psychoanalysis into the american

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psychological and psychiatric community

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to 1909 in 1929 all the while thinking

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about flying saucers while i was writing

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it and then I initially I wrote my

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doctoral dissertation on the controversy

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over unidentified flying objects in

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America and after I got my PhD in 1973 I

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just stuck with it I stuck with UFOs all

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the way until I met Budd Hopkins in 1982

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who introduced me to the abduction

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phenomenon which I was not a great

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believer in actually okay let me ask you

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about that let's make that connection

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here okay until you met but Hopkins you

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didn't necessarily accept abductions

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what about working with him or

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associating with him made you change

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your mind well actually there's a slight

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story that goes with this we had a

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mutual friend Tracey Torme who was a UFO

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kindness a Hollywood producer and writer

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now and and sure he is son of Mel Torme

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and all that I was at a conference in

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1981 where Budd Hopkins was going to

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give basically the first paper about

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abductions to a UFO organization that

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was accosted on by Allen Hynek the

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question was when that when Hopkins got

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up to give this paper should I sit there

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and waste an hour of my life or should I

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go in the hallway with my friend

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marchello Chertsey and tell jokes he

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knew every joke ever invented in the

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history of humankind at roots he was a

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professor of sociology Eastern Michigan

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University I went out in the hallway I

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didn't want to hear that stuff of

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abductions the film year in 82

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Tracy Torme called me up and said that

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he wanted to talk with me in private and

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nobody could listen and it was all about

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government conspiracy

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that we went to Central Park in New York

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City and afterwards after the talk he

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said let's go over to my friends but

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Hopkins house I said no it's Tracy I

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don't think I want to do that I don't

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want to go there you know I'm not

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interested in that so he said oh come on

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come on come on he's a nice guy you like

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him he's a nice guy said no no no I got

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other things to do you think come on

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come on

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he grabs a cab and I and I said okay so

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we go over to his he at a thousand 16th

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Street and I remember Tracy could not

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remember his address

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we had the look at buttons you know bail

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bill buttons uh to to find out where was

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and anyway we found it Hopkins it said

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underneath of doorbells and he was I met

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him he was gracious intelligent he had

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astounding art on the wall Franz Kline

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and and hats Hoffman and Mark Rothko and

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and the drawings by Cezanne and Renoir

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and a guy it was just astonishing

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and he was an artist which I did not

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know and extremely intelligent extremely

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gracious and we now it's time to leave

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we spent about an hour there it's time

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to leave I was very impressed with him

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we're standing in a little sidewalk area

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leading hilarya leading to the sidewalk

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and he says so to me what are you doing

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this coming summer and I said well oh we

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just had a baby and normally we go up to

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Bar Harbor Maine but it's too it's too

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long in the car for the baby so we're

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gonna go to a little town in Cape Cod as

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the town of nobody heard of Caldwell

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fleet he said well fleet he says I own a

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house in Wellfleet I spend every summer

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in Wellfleet when you come up there look

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me up so we did that that summer and

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Ionis been downhill for me ever since

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well it's interesting that he owned that

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house there you know things were to do

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that where he used to live in the town

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just north of I called sure oh then he

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bought he had a house designed by a

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friend of his anyone bought it in

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Wellfleet yeah it's funny I've got a

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friend that's got a they grew up and

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well flea believe it or not

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right you know here's a question I think

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that a lot of people who are familiar

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with your work I'm not sure if they're

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really aware what your personal history

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is with the UFO phenomenon for instance

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have besides maybe some sort of light in

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the sky that looked peculiar or have you

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ever seen a you know an undeniable UFO

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the word is undeniable I was at home in

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Madison Wisconsin and I got a call from

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a friend of mine who helped me with

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doing we were doing field work you know

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investigating UFO sightings in Madison

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and he said David go on over to this

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certain Park over by Lake Mendota if any

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or anybody knows any about Madison and I

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check out what there's something hanging

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in the air so I went over there with my

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telescope and I could see an object that

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was just stationary in the air that was

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not a balloon wasn't a plane it wasn't

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circular it looked like I had a pointed

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bottom and a sort of square top which

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does not look like a you which is not

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you put UFOs look like necessarily what

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that thing stood there for hours I had

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other people look at it and for hours

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and hours until a haze came around in

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clouds and we couldn't see it anymore

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and called up the local airport and we

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called the see if there was any weather

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balloons in the area and we never

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figured out what it was I don't know

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what it was but in fact otherwise I've

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never seen anything unusual in the sky

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and before or since and this didn't

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quite qualify for UFO because of a shape

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and never quite conform to the shapes

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that we've seen so who knows okay let's

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go back though to your association with

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Budd Hopkins how did that lead to your

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working on UFO abductions well bud

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showed me introduced me to have duck

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tease of course I'd never met an

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abductee before had me we was started

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going to Wellfleet every every year and

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I started hanging around buds house but

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but he showed me how to do hypnosis I

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mean

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I said in those two sessions with him

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both in Wellfleet and and in New York

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City and it was obvious after a while

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that something was that this was serious

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business however it took me four years

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to start doing my own hypnosis without

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deputies I didn't start doing it until

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1986 so there was plenty of time for me

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to learn and plenty of time for me to

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absorb what the situation was in plenty

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of time with me too to deal with with

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Budd who became my closest friend for

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almost 30 years let's do our break now

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and get on with more of this we have dr.

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David Jacobs with gene and Chris you're

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this is actually a you listening to the

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abductions with dr. David Jacobs and he

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has a new book out walking among us that

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we'll talk about shortly but right now

624
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he's telling us about the early times he

625
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began to engage in hypnosis now how did

626
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you get trained for this I assume he

627
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just didn't read a book and try it right

628
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well Sid sessions I saw I heard exactly

629
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what he was saying I wrote down every

630
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word I listened to the questioning I did

631
00:27:57,529 --> 00:27:55,440
in fact read up on hypnosis and all that

632
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and I did go to a little hypnosis

633
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conference with a convention that they

634
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had in in Philadelphia I know after four

635
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years of fooling about this bud said

636
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well you're ready now any he sent me a

637
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letter that had been sent to him by a

638
00:28:17,390 --> 00:28:15,690
woman in Philadelphia and I I contacted

639
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her and she came over and we were gonna

640
00:28:24,590 --> 00:28:19,830
do hypnosis with empty with an abductee

641
00:28:26,299 --> 00:28:24,600
I thought and she was 27 years old and

642
00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:26,309
and we decided that we would take a look

643
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:28,049
at an event that happened when she was

644
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around seven years older so I can't

645
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:31,770
exactly remember that and I wrote this

646
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:34,890
up in in secret life book I published in

647
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:39,360
1992 and I was nervous beyond

648
00:28:43,340 --> 00:28:42,000
imagination I have never done hypnosis

649
00:28:47,690 --> 00:28:43,350
before and I've never been employed

650
00:28:50,090 --> 00:28:47,700
before and so I wrote out a a sort of

651
00:28:53,659 --> 00:28:50,100
little standards field so to speak an

652
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induction on a three by five card which

653
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I put in the palm of my hand

654
00:28:59,600 --> 00:28:58,320
so she wouldn't see it I said sort of a

655
00:29:01,100 --> 00:28:59,610
little bit behind there she was on a

656
00:29:04,490 --> 00:29:01,110
couch in our living room

657
00:29:07,250 --> 00:29:04,500
she was heavily into a channeling

658
00:29:10,820 --> 00:29:07,260
so I used to offer seminars for family

659
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:10,830
channeling in fact so she went into this

660
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:15,090
quote trance and quote and which is a

661
00:29:19,100 --> 00:29:17,760
misnomer if there ever was one I asked

662
00:29:21,770 --> 00:29:19,110
her all these questions about how she

663
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:21,780
she was seven years old she was actually

664
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:23,250
remember leaning down and looking at a

665
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:25,290
buttercup on the on the grass that she

666
00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:26,530
was in a park

667
00:29:30,660 --> 00:29:28,720
and then she felt arms around her and it

668
00:29:33,570 --> 00:29:30,670
lifted her up and and she was brought

669
00:29:34,940 --> 00:29:33,580
into this UFO and they were the guy who

670
00:29:38,220 --> 00:29:34,950
brought her and had a pageboy haircut

671
00:29:40,650 --> 00:29:38,230
and she knew who he was his name she had

672
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:40,660
named him Cosmo they put her on a table

673
00:29:44,310 --> 00:29:43,210
and turkle's off and did this run that

674
00:29:45,810 --> 00:29:44,320
throwing this ran out to her and there

675
00:29:48,030 --> 00:29:45,820
was a reproductive aspect that took

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place that she was extremely embarrassed

677
00:29:51,570 --> 00:29:49,750
to tell me about and it got her off the

678
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table and they walked down a hallway and

679
00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:53,890
she met a small grey alien and she was

680
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required to put her hands on the grey

681
00:30:00,150 --> 00:29:58,030
aliens head as she felt love and

682
00:30:02,930 --> 00:30:00,160
affection and warmth coming from him

683
00:30:05,850 --> 00:30:02,940
they continued down the hallway then and

684
00:30:09,030 --> 00:30:05,860
there was a council of grey aliens

685
00:30:10,530 --> 00:30:09,040
sitting around the table and they said

686
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to her that she was going to grow up to

687
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be a beautiful intelligent person and

688
00:30:17,070 --> 00:30:15,100
all that and that made her feel good I

689
00:30:20,220 --> 00:30:17,080
guess and then they got a clothes back

690
00:30:23,820 --> 00:30:20,230
on and took her back and I was thrilled

691
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:23,830
with this oh my god I've done I've done

692
00:30:28,050 --> 00:30:25,210
it I've done it hypnosis with an

693
00:30:29,490 --> 00:30:28,060
abductee I called up bud matched notes

694
00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:29,500
with them and I've heard of this that he

695
00:30:35,580 --> 00:30:32,110
ever heard of that etc etc and I was

696
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:35,590
just I was thrilled that my I went up to

697
00:30:42,180 --> 00:30:41,530
my 8086 dual floppy computer Zenith

698
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:42,190
brands

699
00:30:51,330 --> 00:30:48,880
I remember those I must be old so and to

700
00:30:53,340 --> 00:30:51,340
transcribe what she'd said it into it

701
00:30:54,540 --> 00:30:53,350
you know I mean on Dass of course

702
00:30:58,140 --> 00:30:54,550
because there was no windows or anything

703
00:30:59,850 --> 00:30:58,150
like that and I thought that my little

704
00:31:02,220 --> 00:30:59,860
cassette tape recorder with its

705
00:31:05,580 --> 00:31:02,230
condenser might would pick up every word

706
00:31:08,190 --> 00:31:05,590
she whispered you could you know there

707
00:31:10,650 --> 00:31:08,200
was no nothing at all coming from her

708
00:31:13,470 --> 00:31:10,660
hand was gone the whole thing was gone I

709
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:13,480
broke out into a cold sweat and I

710
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:15,130
thought oh my god oh my god I've lost it

711
00:31:20,220 --> 00:31:17,770
all I'll remember it I'll just force

712
00:31:22,170 --> 00:31:20,230
myself to remember it that of course is

713
00:31:23,370 --> 00:31:22,180
not possible but she came back for

714
00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:23,380
another session or another session

715
00:31:26,220 --> 00:31:24,910
another session another session and then

716
00:31:28,290 --> 00:31:26,230
after a while to a couple of months I

717
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:28,300
said Melissa I remember that first

718
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:31,450
session we did should yeah yeah I said

719
00:31:34,790 --> 00:31:32,890
well I had a little trouble with the

720
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:34,800
tape recorder

721
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:38,010
so I can we do that again she said sure

722
00:31:42,830 --> 00:31:40,320
she's leaning over looking at a

723
00:31:44,750 --> 00:31:42,840
buttercup she feels her arms around her

724
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:44,760
takes her up it's Cosmo he's got a

725
00:31:48,980 --> 00:31:47,490
pageboy haircut takes her clothes off

726
00:31:50,690 --> 00:31:48,990
puts her on the table does this add this

727
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:50,700
that she's there was a reproductive

728
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,410
aspect she's very embarrassed to tell me

729
00:31:56,870 --> 00:31:54,720
about gets her off the table puts her

730
00:31:58,940 --> 00:31:56,880
clothes back on takes her back okay I

731
00:32:01,850 --> 00:31:58,950
have one question to ask you before we

732
00:32:04,490 --> 00:32:01,860
go on okay what business is dr. David

733
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:04,500
Jacobs have of hypnotizing people for

734
00:32:09,470 --> 00:32:07,650
such a sensitive matter without being a

735
00:32:11,870 --> 00:32:09,480
trained psychologist or a hypnotherapist

736
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:11,880
let me finish the story and you will

737
00:32:19,460 --> 00:32:16,650
understand sure so I said to her well

738
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:19,470
Melissa remember the first time you told

739
00:32:22,970 --> 00:32:21,330
me about your walk down a hallway and he

740
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:22,980
had this great alien you had to touch

741
00:32:29,390 --> 00:32:24,690
his head and you felt well loved and

742
00:32:33,140 --> 00:32:29,400
Warrenton she said no I don't remember

743
00:32:35,060 --> 00:32:33,150
that happening and I said Oh what about

744
00:32:36,740 --> 00:32:35,070
when you went into this room with there

745
00:32:39,530 --> 00:32:36,750
was a council set up and you were gonna

746
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:39,540
go out to be a wonderful person she said

747
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:41,130
I think that happened to my friend Lynn

748
00:32:47,870 --> 00:32:44,370
not to me and I knew at that instant

749
00:32:51,020 --> 00:32:47,880
gene that I had no idea what I was doing

750
00:32:53,870 --> 00:32:51,030
oh boy okay so that comes full circle

751
00:32:55,670 --> 00:32:53,880
then yeah right and at that point I

752
00:32:57,950 --> 00:32:55,680
realized I've got to put in a set of

753
00:33:01,520 --> 00:32:57,960
controls to never allow this to happen

754
00:33:04,010 --> 00:33:01,530
again as far as far as I can I can tell

755
00:33:06,170 --> 00:33:04,020
and once I started putting in the

756
00:33:07,820 --> 00:33:06,180
controls and once I started being very

757
00:33:10,270 --> 00:33:07,830
careful much more careful with my

758
00:33:12,970 --> 00:33:10,280
questioning things began to regularize

759
00:33:17,030 --> 00:33:12,980
now the question is there's how can i

760
00:33:21,020 --> 00:33:17,040
some guy off the street do hypnosis

761
00:33:24,290 --> 00:33:21,030
well hypnosis is just about one

762
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:24,300
billionth of one millimeter from being

763
00:33:30,410 --> 00:33:27,120
totally fraudulent altogether the way I

764
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:30,420
look at it it's just simple relaxation

765
00:33:35,420 --> 00:33:33,120
all I do is I follow what bud said in

766
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:35,430
his induction is just simple relaxing

767
00:33:40,550 --> 00:33:38,010
relax your arms relax your legs relax

768
00:33:41,750 --> 00:33:40,560
these muscles those muscles a little bit

769
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:41,760
of deep inhale we're going to go down

770
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:43,930
some steps to a nice

771
00:33:47,070 --> 00:33:45,730
and each time you'll feel more and more

772
00:33:50,580 --> 00:33:47,080
relaxed and then I started asking

773
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:50,590
questions that's it takes about 10-15

774
00:33:55,620 --> 00:33:53,410
minutes people say to me David I don't

775
00:33:57,690 --> 00:33:55,630
think I'm hypnotized and the answer I

776
00:33:59,880 --> 00:33:57,700
give them is it doesn't matter lay back

777
00:34:01,440 --> 00:33:59,890
down is a little daybed that they I have

778
00:34:03,660 --> 00:34:01,450
and there's a coffee table I sit on a

779
00:34:03,930 --> 00:34:03,670
chair I say it doesn't matter lay back

780
00:34:06,450 --> 00:34:03,940
down

781
00:34:08,820 --> 00:34:06,460
and I keep asking the questions and it

782
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:08,830
doesn't matter and they start

783
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:11,890
remembering and I am I questioning as

784
00:34:16,889 --> 00:34:15,370
logical and chronological I don't begin

785
00:34:18,720 --> 00:34:16,899
I hopefully I don't begin in the middle

786
00:34:19,830 --> 00:34:18,730
of a session a middle of an event I

787
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:19,840
start at the beginning if at all

788
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:23,890
possible it's all strictly logical even

789
00:34:28,110 --> 00:34:25,810
then I have learned the role of

790
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:28,120
confabulation people will say things

791
00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:32,290
that are not true they're not lying they

792
00:34:37,620 --> 00:34:35,110
think they're true but they didn't

793
00:34:40,940 --> 00:34:37,630
happen that way and I've learned that

794
00:34:43,700 --> 00:34:40,950
conscious memories with no hypnosis are

795
00:34:46,169 --> 00:34:43,710
notoriously inaccurate and filled with

796
00:34:48,149 --> 00:34:46,179
confabulation you have to remember I've

797
00:34:50,490 --> 00:34:48,159
looked at about eleven hundred and fifty

798
00:34:53,100 --> 00:34:50,500
different events with about a hundred

799
00:34:54,750 --> 00:34:53,110
and fifty people over over decades

800
00:34:59,040 --> 00:34:54,760
sometimes sometimes they come to me just

801
00:35:01,140 --> 00:34:59,050
once and and I've learned the problems

802
00:35:04,220 --> 00:35:01,150
of questioning learn the problems of

803
00:35:08,010 --> 00:35:04,230
confabulation professional hypnotist

804
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:08,020
cannot do this and the reason they can't

805
00:35:12,510 --> 00:35:10,450
do it is because they know nothing about

806
00:35:14,490 --> 00:35:12,520
the abduction phenomenon and the

807
00:35:16,380 --> 00:35:14,500
problems with you with hypnosis with

808
00:35:18,690 --> 00:35:16,390
abductions and the fact that people

809
00:35:22,260 --> 00:35:18,700
aren't supposed to remember and and all

810
00:35:25,530 --> 00:35:22,270
that so the question is then how can I

811
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:25,540
do hypnosis well I did it the hard way I

812
00:35:29,340 --> 00:35:28,570
learned on the on the fly I learned as

813
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we went along

814
00:35:35,070 --> 00:35:33,310
and so I L I got a pretty good sense of

815
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how to do it and how not to do it and

816
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all that

817
00:35:41,610 --> 00:35:39,010
my next project will be how to do

818
00:35:43,110 --> 00:35:41,620
hypnosis without duct tease my guess is

819
00:35:45,550 --> 00:35:43,120
that the audience for this kind of a

820
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book will be in the tens and tens

821
00:35:50,290 --> 00:35:47,570
and therefore it'll probably be

822
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:50,300
self-published but I would like to if at

823
00:35:59,080 --> 00:35:53,290
all possible here's a grandiose concept

824
00:36:01,720 --> 00:35:59,090
standardized the the abduction hypnosis

825
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system and essentially regularize it so

826
00:36:06,550 --> 00:36:03,740
that so that everybody's on the same

827
00:36:09,010 --> 00:36:06,560
page and confabulation has kept at its

828
00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:09,020
lowest and people know how to interpret

829
00:36:13,870 --> 00:36:11,510
answers to questions and people know how

830
00:36:17,170 --> 00:36:13,880
abductors speak of their experiences and

831
00:36:19,660 --> 00:36:17,180
they know where confabulation comes i've

832
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:19,670
got a list of the top ten confabulated

833
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areas and things like that and so it's

834
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it's it's something that I've sort of

835
00:36:31,660 --> 00:36:29,270
specialized in in recent in the last

836
00:36:35,610 --> 00:36:31,670
twenty years or so let's go on with this

837
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talking about the process of hypnotizing

838
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people who may have been abducted more

839
00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:40,940
to come with keen and Chris and dr.

840
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now just to ask the other question here

946
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dr. David Jacobs have you had the work

947
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:21,010
you've done reviewed by professional

948
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therapists to see what they think about

949
00:41:26,340 --> 00:41:24,220
it doesn't matter they know nothing

950
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:26,350
about the abduction phenomena so the key

951
00:41:30,690 --> 00:41:27,970
is what you're saying this is the point

952
00:41:32,220 --> 00:41:30,700
that you've made here is that when you

953
00:41:34,170 --> 00:41:32,230
handle people who've may have been

954
00:41:35,940 --> 00:41:34,180
abducted you can't use traditional

955
00:41:38,130 --> 00:41:35,950
methods with that goes back to Barney

956
00:41:40,050 --> 00:41:38,140
and Betty Hill well they were checked

957
00:41:42,180 --> 00:41:40,060
out by somebody who was a traditional

958
00:41:45,230 --> 00:41:42,190
therapist he had no idea what he was

959
00:41:47,820 --> 00:41:45,240
doing by definition he was a terrific

960
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:47,830
Benjamin Simon is he hypnotist saw for

961
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:49,810
the for the Air Force I'm sorry for the

962
00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:52,000
army in World War two he was an

963
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:54,310
extremely well known person and a great

964
00:41:58,140 --> 00:41:56,800
hypnotist but by definition because it

965
00:42:00,900 --> 00:41:58,150
was only the first one discovered in the

966
00:42:02,510 --> 00:42:00,910
United States he had no idea what he was

967
00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:02,520
listening to or what questions to ask

968
00:42:10,260 --> 00:42:06,300
for example in that initial hypnosis

969
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:10,270
event Betty said that that they stuck a

970
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:12,730
needle in her navel and she asked him

971
00:42:17,550 --> 00:42:15,370
what it was and why it was and and they

972
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:17,560
said it was a pregnancy test alright

973
00:42:22,890 --> 00:42:20,530
that is almost certainly not true and

974
00:42:25,530 --> 00:42:22,900
the reason I know that is because it's

975
00:42:27,390 --> 00:42:25,540
never been uttered by any other abductee

976
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:27,400
that I have ever worked with again

977
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:29,650
although that procedure needle in the

978
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:32,890
navel is extremely common that's one way

979
00:42:39,300 --> 00:42:36,490
another way I know is that these beings

980
00:42:40,140 --> 00:42:39,310
do not say what they're doing people ask

981
00:42:41,940 --> 00:42:40,150
them all the time while you're doing

982
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:41,950
though either that they they remain

983
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:43,920
silent they don't give an explanation

984
00:42:49,110 --> 00:42:46,930
number three we know there's no such

985
00:42:50,310 --> 00:42:49,120
thing as a pregnancy test that is a

986
00:42:53,010 --> 00:42:50,320
non-starter

987
00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:53,020
they know all about reproduction and

988
00:42:59,130 --> 00:42:56,730
pregnancy it's what that procedure is is

989
00:43:01,860 --> 00:42:59,140
most likely and I can't tell for sure

990
00:43:03,740 --> 00:43:01,870
most likely is the needle is actually

991
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:03,750
going into one of the ovaries and it's

992
00:43:09,930 --> 00:43:07,930
taking out follicles from the ovary and

993
00:43:13,340 --> 00:43:09,940
we've seen this a whole bunch of times

994
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:13,350
why why the medieval level of technology

995
00:43:18,060 --> 00:43:16,090
you would think some some race that's

996
00:43:21,030 --> 00:43:18,070
able to come here from from vast

997
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:21,040
distances would have almost magical

998
00:43:23,930 --> 00:43:22,930
appearing technology that didn't involve

999
00:43:26,930 --> 00:43:23,940
in invasive

1000
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:26,940
procedures so I'm you know like scoop

1001
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:28,650
marks y-you know they only need for

1002
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:31,650
genetic materials just a swab yeah they

1003
00:43:34,250 --> 00:43:32,880
need a little chunk of flesh for

1004
00:43:36,620 --> 00:43:34,260
instance I'm never really able to

1005
00:43:38,930 --> 00:43:36,630
reconcile this we don't know anything

1006
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:38,940
that has to do with the so called

1007
00:43:44,750 --> 00:43:42,000
table procedures we don't know anything

1008
00:43:46,730 --> 00:43:44,760
that has to do with technology we don't

1009
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:46,740
know any of that now it's important

1010
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:49,050
there's a bizarre way of looking at this

1011
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:52,170
and that is that if that that the

1012
00:43:55,730 --> 00:43:53,520
abduction phenomenon is either

1013
00:43:58,250 --> 00:43:55,740
psychological it's mental it's mentally

1014
00:44:01,670 --> 00:43:58,260
derived or it's happening there's no in

1015
00:44:03,710 --> 00:44:01,680
the middle there's no being mistaken oh

1016
00:44:06,050 --> 00:44:03,720
I was wrong you know I thought I was

1017
00:44:08,180 --> 00:44:06,060
abducted but I wasn't there's there's

1018
00:44:11,780 --> 00:44:08,190
nothing being missed you're either

1019
00:44:14,420 --> 00:44:11,790
creating it or it's happening if in fact

1020
00:44:16,730 --> 00:44:14,430
people were creating it we know all

1021
00:44:20,210 --> 00:44:16,740
sorts of stuff about every procedure

1022
00:44:22,700 --> 00:44:20,220
Raanana just like Betty Hill said they

1023
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:22,710
would say things all the time about what

1024
00:44:26,930 --> 00:44:25,530
we'd know because wouldn't there

1025
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:26,940
wouldn't be a concept of not knowing

1026
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:28,800
they they would ask questions of the

1027
00:44:32,510 --> 00:44:30,480
aliens would answer we'd have that all

1028
00:44:34,700 --> 00:44:32,520
the time right sometimes he wouldn't but

1029
00:44:36,530 --> 00:44:34,710
most the time you probably would in fact

1030
00:44:38,570 --> 00:44:36,540
nobody knows what these things are

1031
00:44:42,650 --> 00:44:38,580
abductees have no idea what's going on

1032
00:44:44,900 --> 00:44:42,660
during the the the table procedures and

1033
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:44,910
the only thing I've been able to

1034
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:47,130
identify with a degree of certainty as

1035
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:49,440
what is sometimes they'll take an

1036
00:44:52,970 --> 00:44:51,330
instrument and they'll run it across at

1037
00:44:56,420 --> 00:44:52,980
the bottom of a person's foot and the

1038
00:45:00,020 --> 00:44:56,430
foot will flex and I think that's some

1039
00:45:03,460 --> 00:45:00,030
sort of an examination a testing of the

1040
00:45:06,740 --> 00:45:03,470
foot flexing a neurological situation

1041
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:06,750
know that what they are remembering is a

1042
00:45:11,630 --> 00:45:09,810
real physical event or some kind of

1043
00:45:13,700 --> 00:45:11,640
thing they experience mentally without a

1044
00:45:15,350 --> 00:45:13,710
physical connection well just

1045
00:45:17,660 --> 00:45:15,360
misinterpreting what really happened

1046
00:45:21,500 --> 00:45:17,670
right if this were mental what we would

1047
00:45:26,780 --> 00:45:21,510
get is all sorts of different kinds of

1048
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:26,790
things happening to people there was the

1049
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:29,370
idiosyncratic that is to say they would

1050
00:45:31,970 --> 00:45:30,930
be saying things that related to their

1051
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:31,980
lives

1052
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:34,770
to where they were born and raised and

1053
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:37,530
every story would be different in in

1054
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:39,210
profound ways

1055
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:41,280
they wouldn't know necessarily all the

1056
00:45:45,230 --> 00:45:43,200
procedures that are done and and of

1057
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:45,240
course people what people don't realize

1058
00:45:50,570 --> 00:45:47,450
is that they are virtually never

1059
00:45:51,940 --> 00:45:50,580
abducted to have table procedures as

1060
00:45:56,330 --> 00:45:51,950
always other things that are going on

1061
00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:56,340
but and we would have culled that we

1062
00:46:00,260 --> 00:45:58,290
would have known that early on and we

1063
00:46:02,170 --> 00:46:00,270
wouldn't be talking right now if there

1064
00:46:05,390 --> 00:46:02,180
was the slightest chance that this was

1065
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:05,400
psychological we wouldn't that wouldn't

1066
00:46:10,609 --> 00:46:08,010
happen not only that but there's a

1067
00:46:13,580 --> 00:46:10,619
certain physicality to this that cannot

1068
00:46:15,140 --> 00:46:13,590
be dismissed people are physically

1069
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:15,150
missing from their normal environments

1070
00:46:18,260 --> 00:46:16,890
when they are abducted police have been

1071
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:18,270
called search parties Monsanto

1072
00:46:22,700 --> 00:46:20,130
children's hunt for their parents

1073
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:22,710
parents hunt for their kids that sort of

1074
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:25,770
stuff people return with unusual marks

1075
00:46:30,349 --> 00:46:28,560
and scars and and bumps and this and

1076
00:46:32,810 --> 00:46:30,359
that on their body scoot marks whatever

1077
00:46:35,660 --> 00:46:32,820
that weren't there the day before and

1078
00:46:37,310 --> 00:46:35,670
the most dramatic example of this that I

1079
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:37,320
ever saw was a woman who I'd done a

1080
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:40,410
session with one day and the next day I

1081
00:46:46,190 --> 00:46:43,170
saw her again and she had two one-inch

1082
00:46:48,890 --> 00:46:46,200
fully formed scars between her thumb and

1083
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:48,900
her forefinger on both hands that were

1084
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:52,050
not there the day before I was looking

1085
00:46:57,470 --> 00:46:53,930
at something that was physically

1086
00:47:00,170 --> 00:46:57,480
impossible and as I looked at it I had

1087
00:47:03,830 --> 00:47:00,180
to pick my jaw up off the floor I have

1088
00:47:06,349 --> 00:47:03,840
must say and there is that not only that

1089
00:47:08,900 --> 00:47:06,359
the people are returned sometimes

1090
00:47:12,470 --> 00:47:08,910
wearing somebody else's clothes or their

1091
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:12,480
clothes on inside out there's all sorts

1092
00:47:16,430 --> 00:47:14,730
of people can are abducted in groups and

1093
00:47:18,650 --> 00:47:16,440
they can they can confirm each other's

1094
00:47:21,590 --> 00:47:18,660
abductions sometimes people run into

1095
00:47:22,970 --> 00:47:21,600
each other and recognize each other from

1096
00:47:25,070 --> 00:47:22,980
an abduction event that they were both

1097
00:47:26,359 --> 00:47:25,080
on and can't confirm each other's

1098
00:47:27,650 --> 00:47:26,369
abductions that way who what they

1099
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:27,660
weren't abducted in their group they but

1100
00:47:33,710 --> 00:47:31,410
they were there together Minh and on the

1101
00:47:36,349 --> 00:47:33,720
physicality of it without that of course

1102
00:47:38,570 --> 00:47:36,359
you'd still be dealing with the mental

1103
00:47:41,510 --> 00:47:38,580
stuff but the main thing is this is a

1104
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:41,520
global phenomenon the United States is

1105
00:47:46,779 --> 00:47:43,609
not the leader in the abductor

1106
00:47:49,539 --> 00:47:46,789
world it's not the leader of it it goes

1107
00:47:52,449 --> 00:47:49,549
around the world and everybody says the

1108
00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:52,459
same thing from what we can gather now

1109
00:47:55,779 --> 00:47:54,049
obviously I don't know every single

1110
00:47:59,469 --> 00:47:55,789
country I don't know what's happening in

1111
00:48:02,890 --> 00:47:59,479
let's just say North Korea but I do know

1112
00:48:06,789 --> 00:48:02,900
Brazil and Argentina and Chile etc etc

1113
00:48:10,269 --> 00:48:06,799
and and various countries in Europe and

1114
00:48:13,329 --> 00:48:10,279
and and the countries in Africa that

1115
00:48:16,150 --> 00:48:13,339
I've done of people I've had a lecture

1116
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:16,160
experience who I've worked with and so

1117
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:18,170
it just you know it's it's it's

1118
00:48:22,930 --> 00:48:20,450
everywhere and it's in Japan and China

1119
00:48:25,749 --> 00:48:22,940
and who other people have worked with

1120
00:48:28,299 --> 00:48:25,759
and in that and so this is not an

1121
00:48:30,370 --> 00:48:28,309
American phenomenon it's global you have

1122
00:48:34,660 --> 00:48:30,380
to keep that in mind at all times and

1123
00:48:36,789 --> 00:48:34,670
it's relatively new we can date it back

1124
00:48:39,579 --> 00:48:36,799
to the early 20th century with a high

1125
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:39,589
degree of certainty we can date it back

1126
00:48:43,630 --> 00:48:41,599
with a lower degree of certainty of

1127
00:48:45,819 --> 00:48:43,640
Alaska to the last quarter of the 19th

1128
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:45,829
century but they've been doing this for

1129
00:48:52,059 --> 00:48:48,650
most of the 20th century it didn't start

1130
00:48:53,829 --> 00:48:52,069
in 1947 when the Kenneth Arnold sighting

1131
00:48:58,209 --> 00:48:53,839
took place and everybody got interested

1132
00:49:00,279 --> 00:48:58,219
in UFOs and all that so what that means

1133
00:49:03,729 --> 00:49:00,289
is that these beings who are doing this

1134
00:49:05,979 --> 00:49:03,739
are extremely serious about what they're

1135
00:49:09,069 --> 00:49:05,989
doing and the amount and there's an

1136
00:49:13,839 --> 00:49:09,079
enormous amount of time and energy put

1137
00:49:15,489 --> 00:49:13,849
into this project well wouldn't you say

1138
00:49:18,749 --> 00:49:15,499
you know that these events have been

1139
00:49:20,799 --> 00:49:18,759
going on all the way back 100 plus years

1140
00:49:25,019 --> 00:49:20,809
how do we know that is that just

1141
00:49:28,209 --> 00:49:25,029
anecdotal information gathered from no I

1142
00:49:31,019 --> 00:49:28,219
did sessions with people who were very

1143
00:49:33,189 --> 00:49:31,029
young in the 1930s and we did stuff I

1144
00:49:35,499 --> 00:49:33,199
did a couple of different regressions of

1145
00:49:38,949 --> 00:49:35,509
people in the 1930s but did a regression

1146
00:49:42,279 --> 00:49:38,959
with a guy and that were he had an

1147
00:49:45,099 --> 00:49:42,289
abduction and in 1920s I read a letter

1148
00:49:47,949 --> 00:49:45,109
in Jim and Carla reticence files that

1149
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:47,959
was a typical abduction level letter

1150
00:49:56,380 --> 00:49:51,920
that took place in 1917 when the writer

1151
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:56,390
was 11 years old and then I met three

1152
00:49:59,260 --> 00:49:57,200
generations

1153
00:50:01,540 --> 00:49:59,270
of abductees in Birmingham Alabama at a

1154
00:50:03,849 --> 00:50:01,550
conference and they told me a story a

1155
00:50:06,460 --> 00:50:03,859
for example of their great-grandfather

1156
00:50:10,210 --> 00:50:06,470
and that had what might have been an

1157
00:50:12,490 --> 00:50:10,220
abduction event in the 1880s or so as I

1158
00:50:15,329 --> 00:50:12,500
said it's less and less certainty as we

1159
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:15,339
go back but once you get to the 1930s

1160
00:50:20,770 --> 00:50:17,570
there's a pretty good certainty in the

1161
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:20,780
1920s that this was happening them and

1162
00:50:27,069 --> 00:50:23,890
the reason is it's an intergenerational

1163
00:50:29,260 --> 00:50:27,079
phenomenon that is to say if a person is

1164
00:50:32,020 --> 00:50:29,270
an abductee their mother or their father

1165
00:50:33,579 --> 00:50:32,030
are both wrapped up DS and the reason

1166
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:33,589
they were abductees is that their

1167
00:50:38,890 --> 00:50:35,810
mother's or Father's are both were

1168
00:50:42,730 --> 00:50:38,900
abductees and so on now it had to start

1169
00:50:44,710 --> 00:50:42,740
at some time obviously but there had to

1170
00:50:48,130 --> 00:50:44,720
be a beginning date we're not exactly

1171
00:50:51,720 --> 00:50:48,140
sure of when that was but even if you

1172
00:50:56,500 --> 00:50:51,730
say the 1920s even if you say the 1930s

1173
00:50:59,140 --> 00:50:56,510
it's a long time doing this globally and

1174
00:51:01,120 --> 00:50:59,150
they're not experimenting on us as I

1175
00:51:03,579 --> 00:51:01,130
originally thought many years ago

1176
00:51:07,390 --> 00:51:03,589
they're not learning about us that's not

1177
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:07,400
a concept they're not a monitoring

1178
00:51:14,109 --> 00:51:10,970
program this is a program you're correct

1179
00:51:17,470 --> 00:51:14,119
in that way that has a beginning a

1180
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:17,480
middle and an end and it's goal-directed

1181
00:51:22,089 --> 00:51:20,000
they're working towards a goal this is

1182
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:22,099
going to the goal but also a few other

1183
00:51:26,859 --> 00:51:24,050
questions that occur to us as we

1184
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:26,869
progress talking with dr. David Jacobs

1185
00:51:36,860 --> 00:51:31,280
on UFO abductions with Gene and

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welcome back to the para cast the gold

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1236
00:54:15,299 --> 00:54:12,460
here's Jane Steinberg we have dr. David

1237
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:15,309
Jacobs and we're talking about UFO

1238
00:54:19,530 --> 00:54:17,200
abductions let me throw in one of the

1239
00:54:22,620 --> 00:54:19,540
red herring questions before we go on

1240
00:54:26,130 --> 00:54:22,630
well these reports are the result of

1241
00:54:28,140 --> 00:54:26,140
incompetent hypnotists basically making

1242
00:54:29,700 --> 00:54:28,150
people remember or convincing them to

1243
00:54:31,829 --> 00:54:29,710
remember things that really didn't

1244
00:54:33,630 --> 00:54:31,839
happen how do you respond to that well

1245
00:54:35,910 --> 00:54:33,640
well that does happen with improper

1246
00:54:38,190 --> 00:54:35,920
questioning and that and and there's a

1247
00:54:41,250 --> 00:54:38,200
lot of concocting hypnotists out there

1248
00:54:43,770 --> 00:54:41,260
I'm sorry to say and what they'll do is

1249
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:43,780
they'll ask people to ask the alien a

1250
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:46,210
question as if it were happening in real

1251
00:54:50,370 --> 00:54:48,250
time this is a favorite question of

1252
00:54:52,650 --> 00:54:50,380
people who who in my opinion are just

1253
00:54:55,289 --> 00:54:52,660
not doing it right or else they'll

1254
00:54:57,420 --> 00:54:55,299
they'll sort of build in spiritually

1255
00:55:00,450 --> 00:54:57,430
based questions or religiously based

1256
00:55:01,650 --> 00:55:00,460
questions or things like that and

1257
00:55:03,390 --> 00:55:01,660
they're not logical they're not

1258
00:55:07,170 --> 00:55:03,400
chronological they've got their own

1259
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:07,180
agenda with me I have no agenda whatever

1260
00:55:10,980 --> 00:55:09,130
they say is fine I just wanted to be

1261
00:55:13,170 --> 00:55:10,990
accurate that's the critical event for

1262
00:55:15,150 --> 00:55:13,180
me to be accurate about what is

1263
00:55:16,980 --> 00:55:15,160
happening and after a while they learn

1264
00:55:19,740 --> 00:55:16,990
how to be accurate they learn how to be

1265
00:55:21,390 --> 00:55:19,750
very very careful about what they're

1266
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:21,400
saying to me and you have to remember

1267
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:22,960
that I have people who are coming to me

1268
00:55:29,370 --> 00:55:25,690
core psychiatrists psychologists

1269
00:55:32,220 --> 00:55:29,380
attorneys police officers university

1270
00:55:35,430 --> 00:55:32,230
professors and so forth all of whom I'm

1271
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:35,440
to do sessions with and all of them want

1272
00:55:41,789 --> 00:55:38,079
to get it right they they're all aware

1273
00:55:44,039 --> 00:55:41,799
of me leading them they're completely

1274
00:55:45,809 --> 00:55:44,049
aware of that and they're all aware that

1275
00:55:48,359 --> 00:55:45,819
they don't want to pick up something in

1276
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:48,369
popular culture and then tell it to me

1277
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:49,930
as if it happened to them they don't

1278
00:55:55,710 --> 00:55:51,730
want either those things and neither do

1279
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:55,720
I obviously so most people when they do

1280
00:56:01,730 --> 00:55:58,240
hypnosis with me they are in total and

1281
00:56:03,530 --> 00:56:01,740
complete control they know that they'll

1282
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:03,540
to themselves he's asking me the

1283
00:56:09,070 --> 00:56:06,240
stupidest question I ever asked should I

1284
00:56:11,240 --> 00:56:09,080
even answer it then they'll think that

1285
00:56:13,940 --> 00:56:11,250
they'll say to me you know I gotta go to

1286
00:56:15,590 --> 00:56:13,950
the bathroom I say yeah I get up go to

1287
00:56:17,300 --> 00:56:15,600
the bathroom fine no they good up north

1288
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:17,310
about when you come back and they lay

1289
00:56:21,140 --> 00:56:18,930
back down and I keep asking questions

1290
00:56:22,609 --> 00:56:21,150
you know it doesn't matter what I'm

1291
00:56:25,310 --> 00:56:22,619
hearing they're from what you're saying

1292
00:56:27,170 --> 00:56:25,320
is that basically hypnosis is just

1293
00:56:29,750 --> 00:56:27,180
relaxation they're out in some kind of

1294
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:29,760
weird trance or anything correct that is

1295
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:31,170
exactly right

1296
00:56:36,250 --> 00:56:33,440
I'm not going to convince them about I

1297
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:36,260
test them early on I will ask

1298
00:56:42,650 --> 00:56:39,570
deliberately misleading questions with

1299
00:56:44,990 --> 00:56:42,660
an authoritative tone as if this happens

1300
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:45,000
to everybody it's happening to you isn't

1301
00:56:51,950 --> 00:56:48,720
it hahaha Direct misleading question

1302
00:56:55,130 --> 00:56:51,960
they said only one time if any anybody

1303
00:56:57,830 --> 00:56:55,140
ever said yes I said you know people

1304
00:57:00,560 --> 00:56:57,840
report that that the floors look sort of

1305
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:00,570
like a parquet floor across you know a

1306
00:57:04,850 --> 00:57:03,119
wouldn't wouldn't little pieces put into

1307
00:57:06,890 --> 00:57:04,860
place and all that and then report that

1308
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:06,900
all the time you can see the parquet

1309
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:10,290
floor can't you direct misleading

1310
00:57:18,410 --> 00:57:15,930
question one person said yes I know I'd

1311
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:18,420
better be very very careful with this

1312
00:57:23,690 --> 00:57:20,970
person right now because this person can

1313
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:23,700
be led most people don't want to be led

1314
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:26,010
there look they're saying no what are

1315
00:57:29,630 --> 00:57:27,450
you talking about and I don't ask that

1316
00:57:32,510 --> 00:57:29,640
question anymore so I can say it but

1317
00:57:35,270 --> 00:57:32,520
I'll ask a series of questions I will do

1318
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:35,280
other things to get to to see whether

1319
00:57:37,430 --> 00:57:37,200
they're they're there they're correct or

1320
00:57:40,190 --> 00:57:37,440
not

1321
00:57:44,270 --> 00:57:40,200
and my little arsenal of control

1322
00:57:46,190 --> 00:57:44,280
questions and comments and virtually all

1323
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:46,200
the time people will say no to these

1324
00:57:51,260 --> 00:57:48,690
kinds of things and and and that's

1325
00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:51,270
reassuring I'm not leading I don't want

1326
00:57:55,070 --> 00:57:52,710
to leave them so last thing I want to do

1327
00:57:59,480 --> 00:57:55,080
I'm wondering here I always thought that

1328
00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:59,490
that the ultimate nono if you if you

1329
00:58:03,950 --> 00:58:01,920
wish is asking leading questions so you

1330
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:03,960
purposely asked leading questions to

1331
00:58:09,210 --> 00:58:08,400
ascertain the veracity or to ascertain

1332
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:09,220
whether

1333
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:13,450
some some mental issues and

1334
00:58:17,970 --> 00:58:15,970
confabulation right exactly even know

1335
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:17,980
that that was an accepted technique and

1336
00:58:23,190 --> 00:58:20,319
hypnotic regression I'm learning with

1337
00:58:25,710 --> 00:58:23,200
something actually John Carpenter came

1338
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:25,720
up with a list of a whole bunch of very

1339
00:58:30,270 --> 00:58:28,000
good misleading questions many years ago

1340
00:58:32,130 --> 00:58:30,280
a bud would ask misleading questions and

1341
00:58:35,849 --> 00:58:32,140
I learned how to mask misleading

1342
00:58:38,910 --> 00:58:35,859
questions but you ask ask him you know

1343
00:58:42,510 --> 00:58:38,920
everybody reports seeing in an alien

1344
00:58:44,099 --> 00:58:42,520
who's yellowish in color who stands off

1345
00:58:46,819 --> 00:58:44,109
to the side and watched the proceedings

1346
00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:46,829
you can see him can't you

1347
00:58:54,750 --> 00:58:51,490
yellowish and so people would say yeah

1348
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:54,760
well no you know but there was a direct

1349
00:58:59,069 --> 00:58:56,890
misleading question I asked questions

1350
00:59:01,710 --> 00:58:59,079
that are not like exactly like that but

1351
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:01,720
I've got my own group that I am that I

1352
00:59:14,069 --> 00:59:11,750
so it's a the fact is though that that

1353
00:59:15,809 --> 00:59:14,079
you know you want to make sure that the

1354
00:59:18,750 --> 00:59:15,819
person is being accurate that the person

1355
00:59:22,380 --> 00:59:18,760
is actually describing what is happening

1356
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:22,390
to them correctly no now let me ask you

1357
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:23,890
something else here because this occurs

1358
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:26,650
to me the other criticism will be that

1359
00:59:31,589 --> 00:59:28,810
UFO abduction researchers say Budd

1360
00:59:34,770 --> 00:59:31,599
Hopkins or dr. David Jacobs are getting

1361
00:59:36,589 --> 00:59:34,780
cases that mirror what they expect or

1362
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:36,599
what they have become to believe

1363
00:59:45,839 --> 00:59:42,490
absolutely not this this thing I am led

1364
00:59:48,990 --> 00:59:45,849
well who do you mean by they but you

1365
00:59:52,140 --> 00:59:49,000
have the canoes will to gene you have

1366
00:59:53,819 --> 00:59:52,150
Leo sprinkle Barbara Lam people like

1367
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:53,829
that only getting benevolent space

1368
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:56,290
brother abduction experiences that are

1369
01:00:02,400 --> 00:59:58,720
that are you know a kind and gentle and

1370
01:00:04,980 --> 01:00:02,410
in all involving the the transformation

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01:00:06,930 --> 01:00:04,990
of humanity and and this type of thing

1372
01:00:09,839 --> 01:00:06,940
that's the point that's the point I was

1373
01:00:13,020 --> 01:00:09,849
bringing up that yeah notice that okay

1374
01:00:15,569 --> 01:00:13,030
let me just say basically to sum this up

1375
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:15,579
is that the abduction researcher is

1376
01:00:20,130 --> 01:00:17,890
getting cases that seem to fit in with

1377
01:00:23,130 --> 01:00:20,140
what they expect to get and that for

1378
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:23,140
maybe doctor sprinkle gets benign aliens

1379
01:00:26,250 --> 01:00:24,970
maybe you get something involving alien

1380
01:00:29,220 --> 01:00:26,260
hybrids you get my point

1381
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:29,230
yeah I do in my opinion it's incompetent

1382
01:00:33,510 --> 01:00:31,090
hypnosis as simple as that I hate to say

1383
01:00:35,070 --> 01:00:33,520
it because I mark Barbara lamb is an

1384
01:00:38,910 --> 01:00:35,080
unbelievably nice person

1385
01:00:40,650 --> 01:00:38,920
Leo sprinkle is is is is at the top of

1386
01:00:46,010 --> 01:00:40,660
the list of one of the nicest human

1387
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:46,020
beings you ever know but I simply cannot

1388
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:51,610
understand or fathom how how they can

1389
01:00:56,220 --> 01:00:53,680
come up with these things other than by

1390
01:01:02,250 --> 01:00:56,230
leading people either subtly or unsubtle

1391
01:01:04,590 --> 01:01:02,260
II into human constructs and just it's

1392
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:04,600
it's it's I find it just to be very

1393
01:01:10,370 --> 01:01:06,970
unfortunate it is not something that I

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get from people who are quite aware of

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01:01:15,990 --> 01:01:13,540
what's happening to them and and and and

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01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:16,000
who have passed all my tests and all

1397
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:18,730
that and having said that I'll still get

1398
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:21,010
confabulation people will still get

1399
01:01:25,410 --> 01:01:22,690
dream material mixed up with their

1400
01:01:29,130 --> 01:01:25,420
memories they'll get when when when

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people are talked to telepathically and

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all communication on board for with most

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people most beings is is telepathic

1404
01:01:41,820 --> 01:01:38,710
what's to prevent people from hearing

1405
01:01:43,730 --> 01:01:41,830
their own thoughts in their minds and

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01:01:46,980 --> 01:01:43,740
think that it's coming from an alien

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01:01:47,790 --> 01:01:46,990
mind and the answer is nothing prevents

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01:01:52,140 --> 01:01:47,800
that at all

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01:01:55,050 --> 01:01:52,150
the logos right there they think it's is

1410
01:01:57,180 --> 01:01:55,060
telepathic communication with them and I

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01:01:59,250 --> 01:01:57,190
can recognize that right away I've heard

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01:02:02,310 --> 01:01:59,260
this kind of confabulation many times

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01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:02,320
and when I write this book on how to do

1414
01:02:06,780 --> 01:02:04,330
hypnosis with abductees to try to

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standardize the field I'll have a whole

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list of things like this that that

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people have to be wary of that I'm

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afraid that a lot of the people who I

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just don't find confidently doing things

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are not aware of and but you have to be

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very very careful this is this is an

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alien phenomenon it's not a human

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phenomenon and and they've got their own

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agenda and it's not our agenda and and

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and the the

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there's a lot more that goes into it and

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then I'd never find here's a story I had

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a woman who came once she was heavily

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heavily heavily heavily into the new

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into the New Age world and so we did one

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session and in that session she was

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abducted in the middle of New York City

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at night and she was on a side street

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somewhere and off the sidewalk and she

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this this happened to her and that

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happened there in this happened there

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and that happened there are all very

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typical stuff typical stuff as I was

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just going along what happens next you

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can only ask questions about what they

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say you know if I'm in a room you can

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ask questions about the room and then

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you can ask Christ about what happens

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next well I'm going out of the room well

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when you go out of the room you're going

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straight out you're going to the left

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you're going to the right that's all you

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can ask you know you have to follow what

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they're saying and ask questions about

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that that's the chronological aspect of

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it let's go into some more aspects of it

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and how we come to the conclusion about

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aliens walking among us dr. David Jacobs

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01:08:18,050 --> 01:08:16,529
about the hypnotic sessions involving

1564
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abductees and the information that's

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being revealed to him a reminder that

1566
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the book he wrote his latest book on the

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subject is all about the this almost

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01:08:33,140 --> 01:08:31,109
sounds like x-files walking among us the

1569
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alien plan to control humanity and we

1570
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haven't really gone into where this is

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leading so let's kind of move to that

1572
01:08:41,809 --> 01:08:39,509
and listener questions okay let me

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finish the one little story I was

1574
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:44,160
telling you this one was abducted in the

1575
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middle of the daytime and she told me

1576
01:08:50,510 --> 01:08:48,929
typical abduction stuff she wrote me a

1577
01:08:52,910 --> 01:08:50,520
letter saying she was never coming back

1578
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:52,920
to me again because she didn't remember

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what she wanted to remember which was

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this whole New Age benevolent world that

1581
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was her conscious that's what she sort

1582
01:09:06,769 --> 01:09:04,770
of hoped for consciously I know I'm fine

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with that that's okay you know if that's

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what she wants to live with that's is

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her life it's not mine but that is not

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what she told me

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and I only followed her story what

1588
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happens next you see what I mean

1589
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that's good hypnosis that's good

1590
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questioning it's not talking about

1591
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things that that she you know truly

1592
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believed and that were just weren't

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there just weren't there here's a

1594
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question have you ever had a case that

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appeared to be legitimate based by your

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own standard of whether it's

1597
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confabulated or a real event that

1598
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they're they're describing that totally

1599
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runs counter to some of the conclusions

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that you've come up with over the years

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including other conclusions contained in

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your new book but yet the experience

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came across to you as being a real

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experience and yet it doesn't conform to

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those to the

1606
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:02,530
conclusions that you you're you're sort

1607
01:10:05,550 --> 01:10:04,090
of heading towards well you have to

1608
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:05,560
remember that the abduction phenomenon

1609
01:10:11,910 --> 01:10:09,610
is complex and so if they're not saying

1610
01:10:14,820 --> 01:10:11,920
some part of the abduction phenomenon

1611
01:10:16,020 --> 01:10:14,830
that I've heard many times before and

1612
01:10:16,440 --> 01:10:16,030
they're saying something completely

1613
01:10:18,510 --> 01:10:16,450
different

1614
01:10:20,370 --> 01:10:18,520
it's not evidence it goes on the back

1615
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:20,380
burner and I wait for other people to

1616
01:10:24,630 --> 01:10:22,330
say the same thing and if they never say

1617
01:10:26,220 --> 01:10:24,640
the same thing it's not evidence for me

1618
01:10:28,530 --> 01:10:26,230
there's something something's wrong

1619
01:10:31,860 --> 01:10:28,540
maybe it was me maybe it was them but

1620
01:10:33,870 --> 01:10:31,870
something is wrong I don't get that the

1621
01:10:38,750 --> 01:10:33,880
abduction phenomenon is extremely

1622
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:38,760
routinized and so and we know a

1623
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:42,130
considerable amount about it now and it

1624
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:43,810
doesn't go off in two directions that

1625
01:10:48,990 --> 01:10:46,690
nobody ever heard before and so you have

1626
01:10:51,570 --> 01:10:49,000
to be very careful with accounts that

1627
01:10:54,630 --> 01:10:51,580
that run counter to what the what the

1628
01:10:55,950 --> 01:10:54,640
norm is and if other people start saying

1629
01:10:57,870 --> 01:10:55,960
the same thing who are unaware of that

1630
01:11:00,090 --> 01:10:57,880
testimony then you got something then

1631
01:11:02,190 --> 01:11:00,100
you got evidence and you're required to

1632
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:02,200
go in that direction but if nobody else

1633
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:04,930
ever says it it's a problem so basically

1634
01:11:09,540 --> 01:11:07,840
here you're saying that if it's one-off

1635
01:11:12,810 --> 01:11:09,550
or just a couple of people saying

1636
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:12,820
something there's no evidence to support

1637
01:11:16,710 --> 01:11:15,370
that particular claim it's not something

1638
01:11:19,230 --> 01:11:16,720
you'll take seriously but a lot of

1639
01:11:21,780 --> 01:11:19,240
people are coming up with consistent

1640
01:11:23,460 --> 01:11:21,790
information separate people who don't

1641
01:11:26,790 --> 01:11:23,470
know each other then you have to take it

1642
01:11:28,530 --> 01:11:26,800
seriously that is the main way to do it

1643
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:28,540
now I'm gonna there's a little caveat

1644
01:11:33,210 --> 01:11:30,880
here if somebody says something who I've

1645
01:11:35,610 --> 01:11:33,220
worked with for 10 years for 15 years or

1646
01:11:38,250 --> 01:11:35,620
whatever it is and I know them extremely

1647
01:11:39,780 --> 01:11:38,260
well and I know how they think in terms

1648
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:39,790
of this phenomenon and all the rest that

1649
01:11:44,670 --> 01:11:42,010
stuff and they start saying something

1650
01:11:45,660 --> 01:11:44,680
that is different that has to be taken

1651
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:45,670
into account

1652
01:11:51,750 --> 01:11:48,490
depending on how wildly different it is

1653
01:11:54,780 --> 01:11:51,760
most of the times is something different

1654
01:11:57,240 --> 01:11:54,790
slightly and a new thing even then you

1655
01:11:58,680 --> 01:11:57,250
want to wait for other people to say the

1656
01:12:00,390 --> 01:11:58,690
same thing you know if at all possible

1657
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:00,400
because it might be confabulation and

1658
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:03,010
you can you can never absolutely tell

1659
01:12:07,530 --> 01:12:04,810
for sure although I'm I think that I've

1660
01:12:10,830 --> 01:12:07,540
managed to conquer that to a certain

1661
01:12:12,399 --> 01:12:10,840
extent at least in my own mind but you

1662
01:12:14,949 --> 01:12:12,409
gotta be careful which is why

1663
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:14,959
a hypnotist and hypnotherapist who don't

1664
01:12:18,729 --> 01:12:16,130
know anything about the abduction

1665
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:18,739
phenomenon simply cannot do this kind of

1666
01:12:23,859 --> 01:12:22,610
research well they they they tend to

1667
01:12:25,719 --> 01:12:23,869
accept everything they hear at face

1668
01:12:27,699 --> 01:12:25,729
value and that is that's a fatal error

1669
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:27,709
it's not that the people are lying

1670
01:12:31,569 --> 01:12:30,050
they're just getting it wrong there

1671
01:12:33,399 --> 01:12:31,579
there's there's all sorts of other stuff

1672
01:12:35,620 --> 01:12:33,409
in their minds that are mixed up with it

1673
01:12:37,659 --> 01:12:35,630
or they've skipped over huge portions of

1674
01:12:39,819 --> 01:12:37,669
it they've tied things together that

1675
01:12:41,409 --> 01:12:39,829
shouldn't be tied together it's not

1676
01:12:44,770 --> 01:12:41,419
logical and it's not chronological

1677
01:12:46,569 --> 01:12:44,780
that's the thing okay then so let's look

1678
01:12:47,830 --> 01:12:46,579
at the conclusions you're beginning to

1679
01:12:50,020 --> 01:12:47,840
draw and then we'll get the questions

1680
01:12:52,899 --> 01:12:50,030
from listeners all right so is there a

1681
01:12:54,699 --> 01:12:52,909
typical abduction experience you look at

1682
01:12:56,919 --> 01:12:54,709
all these cases is there something

1683
01:12:59,620 --> 01:12:56,929
fairly typical and what is the

1684
01:13:01,839 --> 01:12:59,630
significance what is ET if that's et

1685
01:13:03,399 --> 01:13:01,849
doing well it's hard to say all

1686
01:13:05,649 --> 01:13:03,409
abductions are typical there are certain

1687
01:13:08,279 --> 01:13:05,659
typicality z-- that are involved all

1688
01:13:11,819 --> 01:13:08,289
them either taking their clothes off or

1689
01:13:14,140 --> 01:13:11,829
having them dressed in a special kind of

1690
01:13:17,259 --> 01:13:14,150
cloth material that they have special

1691
01:13:20,500 --> 01:13:17,269
dress type situation special clothes I

1692
01:13:22,750 --> 01:13:20,510
should say and there is although

1693
01:13:25,390 --> 01:13:22,760
sometimes they're there they're fully

1694
01:13:28,810 --> 01:13:25,400
dressed but those are very unusual and

1695
01:13:30,250 --> 01:13:28,820
they make sense in context and of course

1696
01:13:32,589 --> 01:13:30,260
there are table procedures which I

1697
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:32,599
talked about you know 20 years ago

1698
01:13:39,489 --> 01:13:36,800
donate three years ago and there are but

1699
01:13:42,459 --> 01:13:39,499
in fact this is a program that

1700
01:13:45,339 --> 01:13:42,469
ultimately is reproductively oriented as

1701
01:13:49,140 --> 01:13:45,349
I mentioned earlier but Hopkins first

1702
01:13:51,909 --> 01:13:49,150
discovered this in the 1980s when he

1703
01:13:54,100 --> 01:13:51,919
found that this one woman who has Brooke

1704
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:54,110
was brought into a room and was

1705
01:13:59,799 --> 01:13:57,050
presented with a weird looking baby and

1706
01:14:02,169 --> 01:13:59,809
she was required to hold the baby and

1707
01:14:05,529 --> 01:14:02,179
then she was required to feed the baby

1708
01:14:07,929 --> 01:14:05,539
and I said to myself this is before I

1709
01:14:09,790 --> 01:14:07,939
started doing hypnosis and I said to

1710
01:14:11,979 --> 01:14:09,800
myself this is the craziest thing I'd

1711
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:11,989
ever heard of my life if this is true

1712
01:14:16,899 --> 01:14:14,449
then we will never be able to understand

1713
01:14:19,899 --> 01:14:16,909
the minds of the aliens because they

1714
01:14:21,939 --> 01:14:19,909
value form over function the form was

1715
01:14:24,590 --> 01:14:21,949
they they required her to put her the

1716
01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:24,600
baby to her breast and feed the baby

1717
01:14:28,580 --> 01:14:26,730
the function was there was no milk she

1718
01:14:30,890 --> 01:14:28,590
was not lactating she would not been

1719
01:14:32,900 --> 01:14:30,900
pregnant wasn't pregnant or anything

1720
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:32,910
like that so how could we ever

1721
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:36,480
understand that kind of a mind it just

1722
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:38,130
didn't make any sense to me even though

1723
01:14:43,850 --> 01:14:41,250
they had to be rigidly logical people to

1724
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:43,860
invent the technology they have we

1725
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:45,930
learned later of course that everything

1726
01:14:51,260 --> 01:14:48,930
was different than itíd thoughts they

1727
01:14:53,180 --> 01:14:51,270
had already stimulated lactation the

1728
01:14:55,370 --> 01:14:53,190
babies required were required to have

1729
01:14:58,100 --> 01:14:55,380
human contact of rhesus or not fully

1730
01:15:00,340 --> 01:14:58,110
sure of although we do know that they

1731
01:15:03,020 --> 01:15:00,350
had to have contact to grow properly

1732
01:15:05,780 --> 01:15:03,030
through tests with monkeys and all that

1733
01:15:08,180 --> 01:15:05,790
and that the stimulation that the elect

1734
01:15:11,990 --> 01:15:08,190
age was stimulated on that on the table

1735
01:15:13,630 --> 01:15:12,000
procedure and all sorts of women have

1736
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:13,640
described this now it's extremely

1737
01:15:19,130 --> 01:15:16,290
extremely common say the least

1738
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:19,140
and then we see these babies as toddlers

1739
01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:24,090
as as young people as adolescents as as

1740
01:15:32,420 --> 01:15:27,930
young adults as adults and not as older

1741
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:32,430
adults like let's just say 70 or even 60

1742
01:15:38,300 --> 01:15:34,050
we don't see them people don't describe

1743
01:15:41,540 --> 01:15:38,310
a hybrid just as by call them at that

1744
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:41,550
age so we know that this is a

1745
01:15:47,150 --> 01:15:43,730
reproductively oriented phenomenon

1746
01:15:51,580 --> 01:15:47,160
virtually all abductees are involved in

1747
01:15:56,150 --> 01:15:51,590
the program of dealing with hybrids

1748
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:56,160
producing hybrids teaching hybrids and

1749
01:16:03,770 --> 01:16:00,960
and well that's that's about it that's

1750
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:03,780
what they do there's other procedures

1751
01:16:08,090 --> 01:16:06,330
that they go through there's what I used

1752
01:16:11,450 --> 01:16:08,100
to call it testing procedures now I call

1753
01:16:16,540 --> 01:16:11,460
training procedures all of which

1754
01:16:25,370 --> 01:16:19,820
employment value let's just say work

1755
01:16:27,710 --> 01:16:25,380
value to the to the ultimate goals let's

1756
01:16:29,810 --> 01:16:27,720
talk about the ultimate goals in our

1757
01:16:38,300 --> 01:16:29,820
next segment with Jean and Chris and dr.

1758
01:16:46,680 --> 01:16:41,910
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1792
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1793
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that dot-com companies would crash they

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did those who listened had a chance to

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[Music]

1855
01:21:00,540 --> 01:20:57,940
is Greg Cameron from presidential UFO

1856
01:21:09,540 --> 01:21:00,550
calm you're listening to the para cast

1857
01:21:13,770 --> 01:21:09,550
the gold standard of paranormal radio so

1858
01:21:18,090 --> 01:21:13,780
the ultimate I guess paranoid image here

1859
01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:18,100
is that et is walking among us which of

1860
01:21:22,140 --> 01:21:19,570
course mirrors the title of your new

1861
01:21:26,040 --> 01:21:22,150
book and that these alien hybrids are

1862
01:21:28,590 --> 01:21:26,050
what they are trained to be among us and

1863
01:21:29,700 --> 01:21:28,600
not be detectable yes that's what it is

1864
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:29,710
okay yes

1865
01:21:33,690 --> 01:21:31,690
so what is the goal how do we know what

1866
01:21:36,870 --> 01:21:33,700
ET wants and how do we know how

1867
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:36,880
widespread this is rather than answer

1868
01:21:41,390 --> 01:21:38,770
that question right now let me take you

1869
01:21:45,180 --> 01:21:41,400
through a little bit more of the

1870
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:45,190
bureaucracy involved with this onboard

1871
01:21:50,610 --> 01:21:48,130
UFO there's there's insect like ones

1872
01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:50,620
there's reptile like ones there's gray

1873
01:21:55,770 --> 01:21:54,490
aliens and there's hybrids that's it if

1874
01:21:58,760 --> 01:21:55,780
other people tell you there's other ones

1875
01:22:02,520 --> 01:21:58,770
who are pink and then and and who are

1876
01:22:04,140 --> 01:22:02,530
look like eraser ads and forget that and

1877
01:22:08,220 --> 01:22:04,150
this is this is basically what people

1878
01:22:11,340 --> 01:22:08,230
say and all of them are dedicated or all

1879
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:11,350
of them are part of a work force and the

1880
01:22:18,060 --> 01:22:14,080
work force and they all have tasks to do

1881
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:18,070
the work force is to produce these what

1882
01:22:24,030 --> 01:22:20,890
I call hubris these are combinations of

1883
01:22:27,630 --> 01:22:24,040
humans and hybrids who are going to live

1884
01:22:29,310 --> 01:22:27,640
here among us I use that word to

1885
01:22:31,620 --> 01:22:29,320
differentiate from all the other

1886
01:22:35,100 --> 01:22:31,630
libraries who are not going to do that

1887
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:35,110
everybody has a certain task depending

1888
01:22:40,740 --> 01:22:37,210
on the hybridization of them for example

1889
01:22:42,900 --> 01:22:40,750
hybrids who look really great I could

1890
01:22:45,480 --> 01:22:42,910
look like their combination of alien and

1891
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:45,490
grey alien of human and gray alien

1892
01:22:51,420 --> 01:22:47,530
rather they take care of young children

1893
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:51,430
babies and there's other tasks that they

1894
01:22:56,580 --> 01:22:53,410
do when you get towards the one who look

1895
01:22:58,800 --> 01:22:56,590
looks more human they are from times are

1896
01:23:02,630 --> 01:22:58,810
in the in the process

1897
01:23:08,940 --> 01:23:02,640
of getting people to live here on earth

1898
01:23:13,590 --> 01:23:08,950
now the ones who are hubris look human

1899
01:23:16,890 --> 01:23:13,600
act human are human they go for the

1900
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:16,900
average if if you if you're gangly and

1901
01:23:20,700 --> 01:23:19,210
gawky and and and act weird you're

1902
01:23:22,620 --> 01:23:20,710
culled from the herd you're not gonna be

1903
01:23:25,650 --> 01:23:22,630
settling down here they go for the

1904
01:23:28,890 --> 01:23:25,660
absolute average nobody is supposed to

1905
01:23:32,700 --> 01:23:28,900
know that they are here they only have

1906
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:32,710
one very slight hardly noticeable

1907
01:23:37,860 --> 01:23:35,530
difference they can neurologically

1908
01:23:41,610 --> 01:23:37,870
control humans and we cannot control

1909
01:23:43,950 --> 01:23:41,620
them then you can make us see - I see or

1910
01:23:48,180 --> 01:23:43,960
do anything act in a certain way they

1911
01:23:50,820 --> 01:23:48,190
can make us do anything they want period

1912
01:23:52,920 --> 01:23:50,830
that is what they can do on board that's

1913
01:23:54,300 --> 01:23:52,930
what all hybrids can do that's what all

1914
01:23:57,570 --> 01:23:54,310
the grades can do that's what everybody

1915
01:24:00,330 --> 01:23:57,580
else can do and that's what hubris can

1916
01:24:03,540 --> 01:24:00,340
do that makes us a second-class citizen

1917
01:24:05,880 --> 01:24:03,550
and makes them a first-class citizen and

1918
01:24:09,690 --> 01:24:05,890
you have to remember this is a global

1919
01:24:14,090 --> 01:24:09,700
phenomenon now having said that the

1920
01:24:18,410 --> 01:24:14,100
questions in our what do the hybrids do

1921
01:24:22,050 --> 01:24:18,420
to put hubris into the society

1922
01:24:24,150 --> 01:24:22,060
average-looking people they get them

1923
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:24,160
apartments and places to live they have

1924
01:24:28,200 --> 01:24:25,810
to have a place to go to when they come

1925
01:24:29,190 --> 01:24:28,210
down they make sure that the place is in

1926
01:24:31,530 --> 01:24:29,200
an area

1927
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:31,540
my guess is now I'm guessing here where

1928
01:24:36,510 --> 01:24:34,210
there are 24-hour stores like a 24-hour

1929
01:24:40,290 --> 01:24:36,520
Walmart a 24-hour mark supermarket

1930
01:24:44,760 --> 01:24:40,300
whatever they have abductees nearby to

1931
01:24:47,150 --> 01:24:44,770
help them learn how to be human we have

1932
01:24:51,840 --> 01:24:47,160
to backtrack a little bit to when these

1933
01:24:52,440 --> 01:24:51,850
hubris are children when they're

1934
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:52,450
children

1935
01:24:58,260 --> 01:24:56,290
abductees teach them how what human but

1936
01:25:03,390 --> 01:24:58,270
living in in human society is like

1937
01:25:05,460 --> 01:25:03,400
unbury UFO i have cases where people see

1938
01:25:08,070 --> 01:25:05,470
there's an abductor you standing in

1939
01:25:10,270 --> 01:25:08,080
front of a bunch of kids and on a wall

1940
01:25:13,990 --> 01:25:10,280
there'll be a picture of a dog

1941
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:14,000
and the kids ask what's a dog for and

1942
01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:16,130
she'll say well you know it's a pet and

1943
01:25:19,050 --> 01:25:18,290
it's for love and companionship and this

1944
01:25:22,210 --> 01:25:19,060
and that

1945
01:25:24,010 --> 01:25:22,220
next a slide they see so to speak next

1946
01:25:27,880 --> 01:25:24,020
image a goat

1947
01:25:30,160 --> 01:25:27,890
what's a goat for a well ago yes for

1948
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:30,170
milk and you can make cheese in the milk

1949
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:32,930
and drink the milk and uh question do

1950
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:35,930
you eat goats no I don't eat goats this

1951
01:25:41,680 --> 01:25:38,690
woman said I'm a vegetarian but other

1952
01:25:45,310 --> 01:25:41,690
people eat goats yes and then other

1953
01:25:49,140 --> 01:25:45,320
things like this now here's the problem

1954
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:49,150
the problem is these kids are not born

1955
01:25:56,890 --> 01:25:53,570
they are taken out of humans between

1956
01:25:59,680 --> 01:25:56,900
nine and eleven weeks before the humans

1957
01:26:03,040 --> 01:25:59,690
begin to show and confirm that their

1958
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:03,050
pregnancy they're then put in Jeff

1959
01:26:09,430 --> 01:26:06,290
station tanks with nutrient solution in

1960
01:26:11,500 --> 01:26:09,440
them at a certain time of which I do not

1961
01:26:15,150 --> 01:26:11,510
know they're taken out of the tanks

1962
01:26:17,530 --> 01:26:15,160
they're then dealt with with these

1963
01:26:20,550 --> 01:26:17,540
early-stage hybrids as I call them look

1964
01:26:24,220 --> 01:26:20,560
a half and a half and with humans and

1965
01:26:27,010 --> 01:26:24,230
because of that for example they don't

1966
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:27,020
know how old they are they don't have

1967
01:26:31,600 --> 01:26:29,210
birthdays they don't know what a

1968
01:26:33,490 --> 01:26:31,610
birthday present is or a cake or

1969
01:26:35,620 --> 01:26:33,500
anything like that

1970
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:35,630
or candles they don't know anything

1971
01:26:41,590 --> 01:26:38,570
about that they aren't they don't spend

1972
01:26:43,660 --> 01:26:41,600
their lives in a family situation they

1973
01:26:44,980 --> 01:26:43,670
don't know about families they don't

1974
01:26:46,870 --> 01:26:44,990
know if they they don't know their

1975
01:26:49,150 --> 01:26:46,880
parents if they have parents or not they

1976
01:26:51,630 --> 01:26:49,160
obviously have parents but they don't

1977
01:26:54,310 --> 01:26:51,640
know that they don't know their siblings

1978
01:26:58,260 --> 01:26:54,320
so you're saying that the the abductees

1979
01:27:01,020 --> 01:26:58,270
themselves are now being tasked with

1980
01:27:05,110 --> 01:27:01,030
acclimating them so that they can then

1981
01:27:07,480 --> 01:27:05,120
function in in human society we go above

1982
01:27:10,690 --> 01:27:07,490
suspicion or in a way that wouldn't

1983
01:27:13,480 --> 01:27:10,700
cause people to be suspicious of them by

1984
01:27:15,370 --> 01:27:13,490
the time they come here to live as he as

1985
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:15,380
adolescents and young adults age

1986
01:27:18,860 --> 01:27:17,090
seventeen maybe they're 23 once again

1987
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:18,870
they don't know their age

1988
01:27:27,770 --> 01:27:24,210
they still have a tremendous amount to

1989
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:27,780
learn yeah everything even though

1990
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:29,850
abductees we like how to eat jello

1991
01:27:39,860 --> 01:27:34,080
without trying to drink it right or what

1992
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:39,870
jello is David there's just one thing

1993
01:27:44,900 --> 01:27:42,810
that just kind of just you know I've got

1994
01:27:47,690 --> 01:27:44,910
to ask this question now is how come

1995
01:27:49,940 --> 01:27:47,700
this is just now coming out why haven't

1996
01:27:52,190 --> 01:27:49,950
we heard of this particular parent

1997
01:27:53,870 --> 01:27:52,200
agenda prior to this I this is the first

1998
01:27:57,950 --> 01:27:53,880
time I've ever heard that abductees are

1999
01:28:01,160 --> 01:27:57,960
actually being used as allies to to

2000
01:28:04,790 --> 01:28:01,170
train and to climate eyes

2001
01:28:07,820 --> 01:28:04,800
acclimate rather these qubits as you

2002
01:28:10,250 --> 01:28:07,830
call them into society what is this just

2003
01:28:11,960 --> 01:28:10,260
a new revelation or I mean we have some

2004
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:11,970
how come we haven't heard this before I

2005
01:28:18,650 --> 01:28:16,170
never heard this before until 2003 until

2006
01:28:20,990 --> 01:28:18,660
12 years ago when some guy came to me is

2007
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:21,000
recommended by a psychiatrist who I know

2008
01:28:27,530 --> 01:28:24,330
I would indicated the abduction stuff

2009
01:28:30,140 --> 01:28:27,540
although he wasn't sure came to me and I

2010
01:28:34,100 --> 01:28:30,150
did a sessions with him and the fourth

2011
01:28:37,010 --> 01:28:34,110
session this guy had never heard of me

2012
01:28:39,740 --> 01:28:37,020
or or of abductions or UFOs he had no

2013
01:28:41,330 --> 01:28:39,750
interest in the subject whatsoever and

2014
01:28:44,780 --> 01:28:41,340
the fourth session he told me you know I

2015
01:28:46,340 --> 01:28:44,790
he said I've got a friend he's my friend

2016
01:28:49,580 --> 01:28:46,350
he says I don't know his name but I call

2017
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:49,590
him Eric and this guy's name was Bernard

2018
01:28:54,650 --> 01:28:52,650
and and Bernard tells me that uh that he

2019
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:54,660
just remembered he had this friend and

2020
01:29:00,920 --> 01:28:57,600
not only was he this friend but he was

2021
01:29:04,190 --> 01:29:00,930
his best friend and he was with him all

2022
01:29:06,050 --> 01:29:04,200
the time and so I am all the time and in

2023
01:29:08,630 --> 01:29:06,060
fact as it turned out later on he would

2024
01:29:11,390 --> 01:29:08,640
see him minutes before he would come to

2025
01:29:16,820 --> 01:29:11,400
my office as Eric would tell him not to

2026
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:16,830
come here but and he told me about how

2027
01:29:20,030 --> 01:29:18,570
he had got the restaurants with this guy

2028
01:29:22,070 --> 01:29:20,040
and he had done this with this guy that

2029
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:22,080
guy needs and their main conversations

2030
01:29:25,990 --> 01:29:24,810
were about how humans related to each

2031
01:29:29,260 --> 01:29:26,000
other and he

2032
01:29:31,630 --> 01:29:29,270
relations in general and and and

2033
01:29:33,670 --> 01:29:31,640
interpersonal relations and relations

2034
01:29:35,140 --> 01:29:33,680
with your family and all that and I

2035
01:29:37,300 --> 01:29:35,150
heard this stuff I've never heard

2036
01:29:38,740 --> 01:29:37,310
anything like this before I put it on

2037
01:29:41,230 --> 01:29:38,750
the back burner waiting for other people

2038
01:29:43,570 --> 01:29:41,240
to say the same thing then another

2039
01:29:45,070 --> 01:29:43,580
person who was unaware of this testimony

2040
01:29:47,440 --> 01:29:45,080
came forward I began to talk about

2041
01:29:49,300 --> 01:29:47,450
similar things dad another one who I'd

2042
01:29:51,670 --> 01:29:49,310
worked with since 1987

2043
01:29:53,170 --> 01:29:51,680
came forward and start to talk about

2044
01:29:56,050 --> 01:29:53,180
these kinds of things happening to her

2045
01:29:58,630 --> 01:29:56,060
now unaware of the other two people and

2046
01:30:01,090 --> 01:29:58,640
then another one then another one then

2047
01:30:04,030 --> 01:30:01,100
another one and I realized this was

2048
01:30:05,380 --> 01:30:04,040
different now in the threat a book that

2049
01:30:08,950 --> 01:30:05,390
I published in 97

2050
01:30:11,500 --> 01:30:08,960
these beings talked about soon there was

2051
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gonna be a change soon to be a change

2052
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everybody was gonna be happy with him be

2053
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wonderful the change was coming soon and

2054
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everybody would was was gonna love it

2055
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we'll talk about that change which is

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gonna come that's the lyrics of a song a

2057
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change is gonna come with dr. David

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Jacobs and gene and Chris you're in the

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para cast

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to in a moment well so I asked people

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well what do they mean by the change

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nobody knew I said well what do they

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mean by the word soon cuz soon is let's

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just say a vague word it could be 10

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minutes from now it could be 10 million

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years from now for all we know and

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nobody knew nobody knew but starting in

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2003 and going into 2004 when other

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people are coming to Hood saying the

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same thing and on my sense was and I may

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be wrong about that yes and there's

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reasons to think I'm wrong my sense was

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01:36:08,410 --> 01:36:06,020
that this might be the change that we're

2189
01:36:10,450 --> 01:36:08,420
in the change now but I can't be sure

2190
01:36:12,580 --> 01:36:10,460
that there might be a different kind of

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01:36:16,439 --> 01:36:12,590
change coming later on that I'm unaware

2192
01:36:19,810 --> 01:36:16,449
of but all of these people were helping

2193
01:36:20,890 --> 01:36:19,820
hybrids hubris rather who were living

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01:36:25,510 --> 01:36:20,900
here

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01:36:27,220 --> 01:36:25,520
living in apartments and and and the

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01:36:29,290 --> 01:36:27,230
bureaucracy involved with helping them

2197
01:36:31,180 --> 01:36:29,300
and keeping abductees from saying

2198
01:36:33,160 --> 01:36:31,190
anything about it to anybody if they

2199
01:36:34,330 --> 01:36:33,170
remembered anything like let's just say

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01:36:37,930 --> 01:36:34,340
to me

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01:36:39,550 --> 01:36:37,940
and and making sure that the high that

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01:36:42,520 --> 01:36:39,560
the humans were learning as much as they

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01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:42,530
could but even though that they had been

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01:36:48,490 --> 01:36:45,130
coming to here was have been coming to

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01:36:50,979 --> 01:36:48,500
abduct these homes as ten year olds and

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01:36:55,159 --> 01:36:50,989
12 year old 12 year olds and then being

2207
01:36:56,689 --> 01:36:55,169
given tours of how homes like the like

2208
01:36:59,569 --> 01:36:56,699
what's a living room like what's a

2209
01:37:02,479 --> 01:36:59,579
kitchen like and various things in the

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01:37:05,959 --> 01:37:02,489
in people's rooms and all that and

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01:37:07,639 --> 01:37:05,969
learning about what school is and how do

2212
01:37:10,339 --> 01:37:07,649
you go to school and all that sort of

2213
01:37:13,399 --> 01:37:10,349
stuff onboard UFOs there's so many

2214
01:37:16,819 --> 01:37:13,409
things that you that people pick up just

2215
01:37:19,669 --> 01:37:16,829
from simply living here from a babyhood

2216
01:37:22,759 --> 01:37:19,679
on that these beings don't know as young

2217
01:37:24,889 --> 01:37:22,769
adults and older adults that that

2218
01:37:28,040 --> 01:37:24,899
abductees are spending an enormous

2219
01:37:31,790 --> 01:37:28,050
amount of time teaching them how to do

2220
01:37:34,879 --> 01:37:31,800
things such as and this is just a

2221
01:37:38,569 --> 01:37:34,889
standard kind of example I get but it's

2222
01:37:41,629 --> 01:37:38,579
but it shows you how it works it takes

2223
01:37:43,399 --> 01:37:41,639
somebody shopping to a supermarket they

2224
01:37:45,949 --> 01:37:43,409
have to teach him what a carcass for how

2225
01:37:48,500 --> 01:37:45,959
you put stuff in a cart they have to

2226
01:37:52,189 --> 01:37:48,510
teach him what a loaf of bread is one

2227
01:37:53,750 --> 01:37:52,199
hybrid asked a person the shoe saying

2228
01:37:55,609 --> 01:37:53,760
that they had to cook this and cook then

2229
01:37:59,629 --> 01:37:55,619
he asked her if you had to cook the loaf

2230
01:38:01,069 --> 01:37:59,639
of bread you know that's just uh fit so

2231
01:38:04,310 --> 01:38:01,079
basic it's just beyond the imagination

2232
01:38:05,810 --> 01:38:04,320
and they teach them what eggs are and

2233
01:38:08,359 --> 01:38:05,820
I'll ask sort of stuff then they come up

2234
01:38:10,549 --> 01:38:08,369
to the to pay for the food from the food

2235
01:38:13,040 --> 01:38:10,559
and the registers like I'm sorry and

2236
01:38:14,929 --> 01:38:13,050
when you come up to the to the cash

2237
01:38:18,859 --> 01:38:14,939
register the person behind the cash

2238
01:38:20,779 --> 01:38:18,869
register says hi how you doing or

2239
01:38:24,259 --> 01:38:20,789
something to that point they have to

2240
01:38:25,669 --> 01:38:24,269
teach these Hubert's to respond you have

2241
01:38:28,580 --> 01:38:25,679
to say fine

2242
01:38:30,459 --> 01:38:28,590
now I'm fine now okay you've got to say

2243
01:38:33,889 --> 01:38:30,469
something you can't just look at them

2244
01:38:37,370 --> 01:38:33,899
it's that level of teaching that

2245
01:38:39,649 --> 01:38:37,380
everybody knows automatically from just

2246
01:38:41,479 --> 01:38:39,659
being a normal person that you don't

2247
01:38:43,909 --> 01:38:41,489
have to learn that you've seen all your

2248
01:38:46,399 --> 01:38:43,919
life you know that they have to be

2249
01:38:50,899 --> 01:38:46,409
taught so abductees have this whole

2250
01:38:53,719 --> 01:38:50,909
different world of teaching not all adds

2251
01:38:57,279 --> 01:38:53,729
up these but but many obviously have

2252
01:39:02,179 --> 01:38:57,289
this whole world of teaching hubris

2253
01:39:05,899 --> 01:39:02,189
everything but they're extremely good

2254
01:39:09,859 --> 01:39:05,909
learners they remember everything

2255
01:39:12,409 --> 01:39:09,869
and they it's astonishing how good they

2256
01:39:15,349 --> 01:39:12,419
are as they have said many times even as

2257
01:39:17,959 --> 01:39:15,359
children they learn differently than we

2258
01:39:20,029 --> 01:39:17,969
do and my guess is B it's just a matter

2259
01:39:23,089 --> 01:39:20,039
of memory they remember everything and

2260
01:39:25,849 --> 01:39:23,099
so the abductees going along with this I

2261
01:39:28,129 --> 01:39:25,859
mean why are they being willing and

2262
01:39:31,819 --> 01:39:28,139
willing participants in a in an

2263
01:39:33,500 --> 01:39:31,829
acclamation programer yeah I'm just I'm

2264
01:39:35,599 --> 01:39:33,510
confused I mean what is their motivation

2265
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:35,609
to to go along with the program

2266
01:39:41,509 --> 01:39:38,010
Chris I have redone the concept of a

2267
01:39:44,239 --> 01:39:41,519
abduction an abduction is basically an

2268
01:39:46,580 --> 01:39:44,249
event that takes place anywhere at any

2269
01:39:48,799 --> 01:39:46,590
location not doesn't have to be on board

2270
01:39:51,949 --> 01:39:48,809
a UFO the only thing is is that the

2271
01:39:54,349 --> 01:39:51,959
abductee has to be controlled by the by

2272
01:39:57,560 --> 01:39:54,359
the alien and that is what's happening

2273
01:40:00,949 --> 01:39:57,570
there okay so so they're there they're

2274
01:40:04,879 --> 01:40:00,959
the it's part of some sort of programmed

2275
01:40:07,040 --> 01:40:04,889
response to whatever the the acclimation

2276
01:40:08,810 --> 01:40:07,050
program is in other words and they don't

2277
01:40:10,729 --> 01:40:08,820
have any choice they have to do it right

2278
01:40:14,689 --> 01:40:10,739
when they get home after coming from

2279
01:40:16,369 --> 01:40:14,699
home from the supermarket and they get

2280
01:40:17,569 --> 01:40:16,379
into their house or whatever it is they

2281
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:17,579
have forgotten they ever went to the

2282
01:40:24,319 --> 01:40:20,010
supermarket with somebody just like any

2283
01:40:25,520 --> 01:40:24,329
other abduction event I mean if this is

2284
01:40:28,969 --> 01:40:25,530
true that's that's a little bit

2285
01:40:31,669 --> 01:40:28,979
disconcerting I must say it is not

2286
01:40:34,479 --> 01:40:31,679
something that I wanted to hear to say

2287
01:40:40,310 --> 01:40:37,729
do we have any evidence that you've been

2288
01:40:42,830 --> 01:40:40,320
able to obtain that would indicate that

2289
01:40:46,429 --> 01:40:42,840
these hybrids have infiltrated any

2290
01:40:48,529 --> 01:40:46,439
military or government or any sort of

2291
01:40:50,179 --> 01:40:48,539
important high positions this is a

2292
01:40:54,169 --> 01:40:50,189
question from cosmonaut one of our

2293
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:54,179
questioners at forum dr. Peric ascom one

2294
01:40:58,429 --> 01:40:56,010
of the earliest things are recognized

2295
01:41:02,149 --> 01:40:58,439
about the abduction phenomenon early on

2296
01:41:04,819 --> 01:41:02,159
is when aliens talked with humans on

2297
01:41:09,489 --> 01:41:04,829
board for whatever reason they never

2298
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:09,499
asked questions about society about

2299
01:41:14,959 --> 01:41:12,570
Authority about what the name of the

2300
01:41:18,860 --> 01:41:14,969
country is about what a country is

2301
01:41:21,980 --> 01:41:18,870
altogether about anything that really

2302
01:41:24,860 --> 01:41:21,990
to normal structures and organizations

2303
01:41:27,620 --> 01:41:24,870
within the society not ever and I

2304
01:41:30,470 --> 01:41:27,630
thought you know if this is a situation

2305
01:41:33,410 --> 01:41:30,480
in which these people will be living

2306
01:41:36,050 --> 01:41:33,420
here we will be living under their

2307
01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:36,060
structures and organizations if possible

2308
01:41:41,390 --> 01:41:38,730
with them in control not ours from what

2309
01:41:43,670 --> 01:41:41,400
I can tell and I don't know you'd have

2310
01:41:46,670 --> 01:41:43,680
to ask that question of people who are

2311
01:41:48,740 --> 01:41:46,680
in the government now who are government

2312
01:41:50,720 --> 01:41:48,750
employees in some way and who are adds

2313
01:41:53,390 --> 01:41:50,730
up these there probably are AB duckies

2314
01:41:55,940 --> 01:41:53,400
in the government but this is a global

2315
01:41:59,660 --> 01:41:55,950
phenomenon and every government is

2316
01:42:04,250 --> 01:41:59,670
different and this is this is engineered

2317
01:42:06,800 --> 01:42:04,260
by in in essence one group I sort of try

2318
01:42:09,170 --> 01:42:06,810
to attack hold on a second you're saying

2319
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:09,180
that this is all one single alien races

2320
01:42:15,710 --> 01:42:13,770
or maybe a constellation of of alien

2321
01:42:17,660 --> 01:42:15,720
types that are one have one particular

2322
01:42:20,090 --> 01:42:17,670
agenda you don't you don't see various

2323
01:42:22,040 --> 01:42:20,100
groups of various agendas no I don't see

2324
01:42:25,910 --> 01:42:22,050
various groups of various agendas I see

2325
01:42:28,190 --> 01:42:25,920
one group with one agenda and this is a

2326
01:42:31,130 --> 01:42:28,200
global phenomenon now it is within the

2327
01:42:34,220 --> 01:42:31,140
realm of possibility and I can make a

2328
01:42:35,870 --> 01:42:34,230
strong argument for it but I don't think

2329
01:42:38,420 --> 01:42:35,880
it's happening however it's in the realm

2330
01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:38,430
of possibility that there are non

2331
01:42:43,190 --> 01:42:40,970
abducting aliens who are actually

2332
01:42:46,310 --> 01:42:43,200
visiting here for some reason or other

2333
01:42:48,950 --> 01:42:46,320
and the answer is that's possible but I

2334
01:42:52,070 --> 01:42:48,960
don't care about them they have a prime

2335
01:42:53,870 --> 01:42:52,080
directive all right this is difference

2336
01:42:56,300 --> 01:42:53,880
these are abducting aliens and they're

2337
01:42:58,100 --> 01:42:56,310
all together and all everybody around

2338
01:43:02,000 --> 01:42:58,110
the rows describes the same ones and

2339
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:02,010
this is this is this is all one major

2340
01:43:09,830 --> 01:43:07,050
global program I wish I wish it was

2341
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:09,840
different than a once again and you know

2342
01:43:12,860 --> 01:43:11,370
I speak with great authority but you got

2343
01:43:16,070 --> 01:43:12,870
to remember that there's a lot more I

2344
01:43:17,990 --> 01:43:16,080
don't know than what I do know but the

2345
01:43:23,550 --> 01:43:18,000
fact is though that this is a global

2346
01:43:25,830 --> 01:43:23,560
phenomenon and I mean when when

2347
01:43:28,710 --> 01:43:25,840
john mack with him about how consists of

2348
01:43:30,120 --> 01:43:28,720
john mack within today in Turkey they

2349
01:43:32,760 --> 01:43:30,130
were together at a conference in Turkey

2350
01:43:35,490 --> 01:43:32,770
and they did a regression with a woman

2351
01:43:38,730 --> 01:43:35,500
from Turkey who was Turkish it was the

2352
01:43:41,130 --> 01:43:38,740
same stuff they withdrew an extract that

2353
01:43:42,900 --> 01:43:41,140
a fetus from her and they did this run

2354
01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:42,910
after a lot of table procedures the same

2355
01:43:50,730 --> 01:43:45,850
stuff that's said in in in in the United

2356
01:43:52,980 --> 01:43:50,740
States it just didn't matter it's known

2357
01:43:54,570 --> 01:43:52,990
and you know it's the same thing with

2358
01:43:56,010 --> 01:43:54,580
other people who I've worked with they

2359
01:43:58,110 --> 01:43:56,020
all described the same thing there's no

2360
01:44:00,570 --> 01:43:58,120
reason to believe that there's multi

2361
01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:00,580
different kinds of aliens all of whom

2362
01:44:06,300 --> 01:44:03,520
are abducting people there that doesn't

2363
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:06,310
seem to be part of the deal list this

2364
01:44:10,530 --> 01:44:09,010
appears to be a unified it sounds like a

2365
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:10,540
free-for-all of that that would be the

2366
01:44:14,880 --> 01:44:13,330
case I mean gosh I mean who knows they

2367
01:44:17,910 --> 01:44:14,890
could be programming one set of

2368
01:44:20,280 --> 01:44:17,920
abductees to circumvent of an agenda of

2369
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:20,290
another and that just puts it into the

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just it's just incomprehensible to me

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[Music]

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01:47:53,400 --> 01:47:49,060
welcome back to the para cast the gold

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01:48:01,960 --> 01:47:53,410
standard of paranormal radio and now

2446
01:48:04,240 --> 01:48:01,970
here's Jane Steinberg so the question of

2447
01:48:07,300 --> 01:48:04,250
course is whether Chris O'Brien is an

2448
01:48:10,900 --> 01:48:07,310
alien abductee but have a question to

2449
01:48:14,470 --> 01:48:10,910
ask dr. David Jacobs and that is why if

2450
01:48:17,800 --> 01:48:14,480
you have these hubris instead of hybrids

2451
01:48:19,810 --> 01:48:17,810
these alien human creatures why

2452
01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:19,820
introduce them to the population when

2453
01:48:24,670 --> 01:48:21,770
they're a bit older wouldn't you want to

2454
01:48:28,930 --> 01:48:24,680
train them from early childhood to be

2455
01:48:30,970 --> 01:48:28,940
like us well they can't live here as a

2456
01:48:33,880 --> 01:48:30,980
child they have to be taken care of

2457
01:48:35,650 --> 01:48:33,890
because they are basically human until

2458
01:48:36,310 --> 01:48:35,660
they are old enough to be on their own

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01:48:38,140 --> 01:48:36,320
they can't

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01:48:39,910 --> 01:48:38,150
but even then they're not on their own

2461
01:48:41,890 --> 01:48:39,920
there they're moving into apartments in

2462
01:48:44,380 --> 01:48:41,900
groups of twos and threes and sometimes

2463
01:48:48,790 --> 01:48:44,390
fours so they're there together

2464
01:48:51,370 --> 01:48:48,800
and I discussed this a little bit too in

2465
01:48:54,820 --> 01:48:51,380
terms of their ability to control people

2466
01:48:57,250 --> 01:48:54,830
my guess is by the time they reach the

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01:48:59,680 --> 01:48:57,260
humid stage it's a little bit more

2468
01:49:01,300 --> 01:48:59,690
difficult for them to control people who

2469
01:49:02,910 --> 01:49:01,310
are let's just say out of control people

2470
01:49:06,160 --> 01:49:02,920
are angry at them or something like that

2471
01:49:08,110 --> 01:49:06,170
so they have to do it in concert and

2472
01:49:10,330 --> 01:49:08,120
there's a certain amount of evidence for

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01:49:12,610 --> 01:49:10,340
that that I'll bring up in that I bring

2474
01:49:14,950 --> 01:49:12,620
up in the book but but the fact is is

2475
01:49:18,010 --> 01:49:14,960
that you just can't have kids wandering

2476
01:49:19,480 --> 01:49:18,020
around with no parents and you can't

2477
01:49:22,720 --> 01:49:19,490
have parents saying where did this kid

2478
01:49:26,080 --> 01:49:22,730
come from you know thing is it's there's

2479
01:49:30,550 --> 01:49:26,090
a lot there's logic to that age 17 18 19

2480
01:49:33,430 --> 01:49:30,560
whatever they are seems fine and now did

2481
01:49:35,380 --> 01:49:33,440
you ask me a question about finding out

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01:49:36,820 --> 01:49:35,390
physically whether they were here or not

2483
01:49:42,160 --> 01:49:36,830
was it was that a question I was asked

2484
01:49:45,490 --> 01:49:42,170
her or not I was gonna be yeah we've got

2485
01:49:48,820 --> 01:49:45,500
I must say we have 40 or 50 questions in

2486
01:49:51,430 --> 01:49:48,830
our question Bank I must say David

2487
01:49:53,980 --> 01:49:51,440
you've really you've brought out this is

2488
01:49:57,340 --> 01:49:53,990
the the most volumous question thread I

2489
01:49:58,780 --> 01:49:57,350
think I've seen in quite some time so

2490
01:50:02,170 --> 01:49:58,790
so I'm sure that's one of the questions

2491
01:50:04,600 --> 01:50:02,180
that's in there well it's the star of

2492
01:50:07,690 --> 01:50:04,610
the of the book walking among us is

2493
01:50:09,100 --> 01:50:07,700
named Betsy Betsy was really quite aware

2494
01:50:11,080 --> 01:50:09,110
of what was going on she knew that

2495
01:50:13,210 --> 01:50:11,090
things were happening and and she she

2496
01:50:16,180 --> 01:50:13,220
became sort of really really good at

2497
01:50:17,920 --> 01:50:16,190
remembering things after they had

2498
01:50:19,180 --> 01:50:17,930
happened that would that she didn't

2499
01:50:20,890 --> 01:50:19,190
remember the right afterwards but with

2500
01:50:22,270 --> 01:50:20,900
me a little bit of my help

2501
01:50:24,880 --> 01:50:22,280
even through the internet she would

2502
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:24,890
remember she knew where one pearl hide

2503
01:50:27,670 --> 01:50:26,330
would live that she had been taking or

2504
01:50:29,800 --> 01:50:27,680
he would live where she had been she

2505
01:50:31,510 --> 01:50:29,810
been helping and she took a picture of

2506
01:50:32,800 --> 01:50:31,520
his apartment house and then she took a

2507
01:50:35,770 --> 01:50:32,810
picture of the Cross sheets where it was

2508
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:35,780
right next to she lived about 125 miles

2509
01:50:42,090 --> 01:50:38,810
away and one day I went up there and I

2510
01:50:44,230 --> 01:50:42,100
found the apartment house and I found

2511
01:50:46,180 --> 01:50:44,240
the streets and all you know I knew I

2512
01:50:49,090 --> 01:50:46,190
knew where the second floor is where

2513
01:50:51,670 --> 01:50:49,100
this uh he would lived and I had cameras

2514
01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:51,680
with me and a binoculars it was in an

2515
01:50:57,070 --> 01:50:54,410
absolutely residential area there was no

2516
01:50:58,600 --> 01:50:57,080
stores at all anywhere around so I had

2517
01:51:01,150 --> 01:50:58,610
to park in front of somebody's house you

2518
01:51:03,160 --> 01:51:01,160
know and I just sat there I didn't want

2519
01:51:05,110 --> 01:51:03,170
to park right by the prating lot or in

2520
01:51:07,420 --> 01:51:05,120
the parking lot for fear that they might

2521
01:51:09,430 --> 01:51:07,430
I I just wanted to be away from it it

2522
01:51:11,440 --> 01:51:09,440
was good enough I waited to see if

2523
01:51:13,090 --> 01:51:11,450
anybody walked in from the parking lot

2524
01:51:15,430 --> 01:51:13,100
or into the parking lot or whatever up

2525
01:51:18,670 --> 01:51:15,440
the stairs into the second floor of this

2526
01:51:21,070 --> 01:51:18,680
apartment it was only two floors of this

2527
01:51:24,220 --> 01:51:21,080
building and see if they went into that

2528
01:51:26,470 --> 01:51:24,230
that that section of the which only had

2529
01:51:27,820 --> 01:51:26,480
a couple of apartments so I waited and

2530
01:51:29,140 --> 01:51:27,830
waited and waited and I waited and I

2531
01:51:30,280 --> 01:51:29,150
waited and I waited and I waited and I

2532
01:51:32,590 --> 01:51:30,290
sat there in the car

2533
01:51:36,250 --> 01:51:32,600
and I waited and I waited for about five

2534
01:51:38,860 --> 01:51:36,260
hours nobody ever came up the steps then

2535
01:51:41,410 --> 01:51:38,870
I noticed that a school bus pulled up

2536
01:51:43,510 --> 01:51:41,420
behind me now under cross street and let

2537
01:51:45,880 --> 01:51:43,520
out a whole bunch of kids into the

2538
01:51:49,180 --> 01:51:45,890
sidewalk and I thought to myself you

2539
01:51:50,210 --> 01:51:49,190
know if I sit here any longer I'm going

2540
01:51:53,460 --> 01:51:50,220
to be arrested

2541
01:51:56,770 --> 01:51:53,470
[Laughter]

2542
01:51:58,360 --> 01:51:56,780
here's an old man with with photographer

2543
01:52:00,340 --> 01:51:58,370
graphing equipment and all that waiting

2544
01:52:02,740 --> 01:52:00,350
for little kids to walk right you know

2545
01:52:04,570 --> 01:52:02,750
oh God so I stayed around for a little

2546
01:52:05,480 --> 01:52:04,580
bit longer and then I went home you know

2547
01:52:07,670 --> 01:52:05,490
and

2548
01:52:10,050 --> 01:52:07,680
I was hoping to hear that one of the

2549
01:52:11,830 --> 01:52:10,060
kids walked up into the apartment

2550
01:52:17,260 --> 01:52:11,840
[Music]

2551
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:17,270
interesting but no no so so I never did

2552
01:52:23,540 --> 01:52:20,970
see anybody who lived there and and I

2553
01:52:27,350 --> 01:52:23,550
tried there was another large complex

2554
01:52:29,540 --> 01:52:27,360
that III I drove in and and and only

2555
01:52:32,270 --> 01:52:29,550
more recently actually just to see if

2556
01:52:34,820 --> 01:52:32,280
there was anybody odd anybody average

2557
01:52:37,910 --> 01:52:34,830
walking around I saw a lot of average

2558
01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:37,920
people but there's no way of knowing no

2559
01:52:43,160 --> 01:52:40,650
way of telling who's who's an abductor

2560
01:52:45,340 --> 01:52:43,170
who's a hugh Britt and who is into

2561
01:52:48,230 --> 01:52:45,350
camera Lee oh my god a lot of really

2562
01:52:49,610 --> 01:52:48,240
that's unfortunate because I'm sure

2563
01:52:51,470 --> 01:52:49,620
there's gonna be a lot of readers of

2564
01:52:54,170 --> 01:52:51,480
your book that are gonna be having

2565
01:52:56,810 --> 01:52:54,180
problems finding asleep at night and

2566
01:52:59,390 --> 01:52:56,820
start questioning the new people in

2567
01:53:01,220 --> 01:52:59,400
their their social circle but here's a

2568
01:53:03,710 --> 01:53:01,230
here's a good question from Eric to read

2569
01:53:07,460 --> 01:53:03,720
one of our posters that forum dr. Peric

2570
01:53:10,190 --> 01:53:07,470
ascom he's got about a dozen questions

2571
01:53:12,110 --> 01:53:10,200
here but this this is a very good one he

2572
01:53:14,510 --> 01:53:12,120
writes if humans are being abducted by

2573
01:53:15,950 --> 01:53:14,520
aliens then surely this is possibly the

2574
01:53:18,950 --> 01:53:15,960
most important story in human history

2575
01:53:20,810 --> 01:53:18,960
okay it's probably if it's true yet when

2576
01:53:22,550 --> 01:53:20,820
one here is any number of abduction

2577
01:53:25,370 --> 01:53:22,560
accounts it's remarkable how

2578
01:53:27,650 --> 01:53:25,380
infrequently the alleged of abductees

2579
01:53:29,450 --> 01:53:27,660
expressed a determination to prove to

2580
01:53:31,910 --> 01:53:29,460
others that it's actually happening to

2581
01:53:34,250 --> 01:53:31,920
them why isn't the first or second thing

2582
01:53:36,350 --> 01:53:34,260
out of their mouths that they've rigged

2583
01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:36,360
their rooms with cameras or invited

2584
01:53:41,270 --> 01:53:39,090
investigators to to spy on their

2585
01:53:43,460 --> 01:53:41,280
bedrooms or produce some kind of

2586
01:53:45,800 --> 01:53:43,470
evidence that doesn't admit an

2587
01:53:49,730 --> 01:53:45,810
alternative or mundane explanation and

2588
01:53:51,860 --> 01:53:49,740
he ends this question if abductions are

2589
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:51,870
exclusively psychological and origin

2590
01:53:56,540 --> 01:53:53,730
then this is exactly what one would

2591
01:53:59,150 --> 01:53:56,550
expect sidelining an empirical approach

2592
01:54:01,310 --> 01:53:59,160
perhaps due to unconscious desire that

2593
01:54:04,190 --> 01:54:01,320
the abductees fantastic tale does not

2594
01:54:05,570 --> 01:54:04,200
actually have a basis in reality so in

2595
01:54:07,940 --> 01:54:05,580
other words what he's saying is how come

2596
01:54:09,350 --> 01:54:07,950
these people that you hear about and in

2597
01:54:12,590 --> 01:54:09,360
the hundreds of people that have been

2598
01:54:14,150 --> 01:54:12,600
regressed and worked with with the

2599
01:54:16,550 --> 01:54:14,160
investigators and researchers like

2600
01:54:19,010 --> 01:54:16,560
yourself I mean how what percent

2601
01:54:21,230 --> 01:54:19,020
I'm actually attempt before they contact

2602
01:54:23,390 --> 01:54:21,240
you to come up with physical evidence

2603
01:54:26,690 --> 01:54:23,400
that can ascertain the veracity of their

2604
01:54:28,490 --> 01:54:26,700
claims well first of all of a 95% of all

2605
01:54:30,380 --> 01:54:28,500
abductors don't know their abductees

2606
01:54:32,420 --> 01:54:30,390
they know that they lead weird lives and

2607
01:54:33,860 --> 01:54:32,430
they know they've had weird experiences

2608
01:54:36,290 --> 01:54:33,870
and they've seen dead people at the foot

2609
01:54:38,360 --> 01:54:36,300
of their bed and they've seen angels go

2610
01:54:40,070 --> 01:54:38,370
to an abduction researcher to find out

2611
01:54:42,710 --> 01:54:40,080
what's going on that doesn't make sense

2612
01:54:44,150 --> 01:54:42,720
no they don't they don't they don't know

2613
01:54:46,070 --> 01:54:44,160
their abductors and there's no reason to

2614
01:54:48,860 --> 01:54:46,080
come and see me then there are people

2615
01:54:50,900 --> 01:54:48,870
who have bleed through memories this is

2616
01:54:52,220 --> 01:54:50,910
a phenomenon that is not a hundred

2617
01:54:57,070 --> 01:54:52,230
percent certain

2618
01:54:59,240 --> 01:54:57,080
so they a hundred percent in terms of

2619
01:55:01,190 --> 01:54:59,250
certainty in terms of their abilities to

2620
01:55:03,530 --> 01:55:01,200
attack these are living sentient beings

2621
01:55:05,870 --> 01:55:03,540
and they make errors and I have a

2622
01:55:08,900 --> 01:55:05,880
section about the error rates actually

2623
01:55:10,130 --> 01:55:08,910
in the book as well and the errors are

2624
01:55:13,550 --> 01:55:10,140
that people see other people being

2625
01:55:15,470 --> 01:55:13,560
abducted that's an error that they

2626
01:55:19,100 --> 01:55:15,480
should that shouldn't happen there's

2627
01:55:20,990 --> 01:55:19,110
lots of other errors as well so bleed

2628
01:55:23,990 --> 01:55:21,000
through memories can be considered in

2629
01:55:26,450 --> 01:55:24,000
error but it's so low that there it

2630
01:55:28,250 --> 01:55:26,460
doesn't affect a society in any way so

2631
01:55:31,730 --> 01:55:28,260
the people come to me who knows

2632
01:55:33,350 --> 01:55:31,740
something is really wrong and it's it's

2633
01:55:35,210 --> 01:55:33,360
interfering with their lives to certain

2634
01:55:40,340 --> 01:55:35,220
extent they they're thinking about how

2635
01:55:42,020 --> 01:55:40,350
one time they were here's our a case for

2636
01:55:44,780 --> 01:55:42,030
example a woman in our boyfriend where

2637
01:55:47,330 --> 01:55:44,790
we're doing some rock climbing at a

2638
01:55:49,670 --> 01:55:47,340
national park and they climbed up a

2639
01:55:51,140 --> 01:55:49,680
certain distance and something strange

2640
01:55:53,390 --> 01:55:51,150
to happen the next thing they mean they

2641
01:55:56,000 --> 01:55:53,400
remember they were running into the

2642
01:55:58,760 --> 01:55:56,010
parking lot and and it was like two or

2643
01:56:00,770 --> 01:55:58,770
three hours later and they wondered how

2644
01:56:02,600 --> 01:56:00,780
did they get there in a way and and why

2645
01:56:05,630 --> 01:56:02,610
do they when they got into guy was

2646
01:56:07,580 --> 01:56:05,640
actually driving a pickup truck why when

2647
01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:07,590
they get into the shark why why they

2648
01:56:10,340 --> 01:56:08,970
would they were there and what happened

2649
01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:10,350
and how did they get that off then the

2650
01:56:14,510 --> 01:56:12,690
rock climbing that neither of them knew

2651
01:56:17,990 --> 01:56:14,520
that's not possible

2652
01:56:19,340 --> 01:56:18,000
and so yeah you know there's things like

2653
01:56:21,140 --> 01:56:19,350
that that bleed through that begin to

2654
01:56:23,150 --> 01:56:21,150
interfere with a person's life and they

2655
01:56:24,590 --> 01:56:23,160
and they become frightened they think

2656
01:56:26,229 --> 01:56:24,600
maybe they are mixed up with it they

2657
01:56:27,399 --> 01:56:26,239
they put a gun underneath their

2658
01:56:29,200 --> 01:56:27,409
hello of course in this day and age

2659
01:56:30,850 --> 01:56:29,210
everybody's got under a gun under their

2660
01:56:32,830 --> 01:56:30,860
pillow I got there at least we are told

2661
01:56:35,080 --> 01:56:32,840
by the NRA that we should have a gun

2662
01:56:40,209 --> 01:56:35,090
under our pillow maybe three or four and

2663
01:56:42,939 --> 01:56:40,219
maybe a few in the drawer when I first

2664
01:56:44,680 --> 01:56:42,949
started doing this research the first

2665
01:56:48,669 --> 01:56:44,690
thing I thought of was camera we'll put

2666
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para cast calm oh we have that weird

2791
02:02:07,810 --> 02:02:05,300
extraterrestrial voice okay so this

2792
02:02:12,489 --> 02:02:07,820
person is equipped with equipment to

2793
02:02:13,239 --> 02:02:12,499
allow them to take pictures of it thirty

2794
02:02:15,790 --> 02:02:13,249
years ago

2795
02:02:20,020 --> 02:02:15,800
sure so it'd be a video camera it's a

2796
02:02:22,179 --> 02:02:20,030
video can attach to a VCR right they

2797
02:02:25,029 --> 02:02:22,189
have to turn on at night and then they

2798
02:02:28,750 --> 02:02:25,039
can sift through whatever they want me

2799
02:02:30,669 --> 02:02:28,760
to see and obviously stuff that they

2800
02:02:33,250 --> 02:02:30,679
don't want me to see that and that's all

2801
02:02:36,250 --> 02:02:33,260
up to them I didn't care so what you see

2802
02:02:37,569 --> 02:02:36,260
is somebody I did this a whole bunch of

2803
02:02:40,299 --> 02:02:37,579
people actually went through this and

2804
02:02:41,770 --> 02:02:40,309
you see them getting up in the middle of

2805
02:02:43,779 --> 02:02:41,780
the night and they're walking over to

2806
02:02:45,909 --> 02:02:43,789
the camera and turning it off followed

2807
02:02:47,080 --> 02:02:45,919
by an abduction or you see them getting

2808
02:02:49,149 --> 02:02:47,090
up in the middle of night and walking it

2809
02:02:51,100 --> 02:02:49,159
in on the room followed by an abduction

2810
02:02:52,839 --> 02:02:51,110
or are you they say to themselves oh

2811
02:02:55,529 --> 02:02:52,849
nothing's gonna happen tonight I won't

2812
02:02:59,529 --> 02:02:55,539
turn that camera on at all you know so

2813
02:03:03,009 --> 02:02:59,539
we never could get anything on on camera

2814
02:03:05,350 --> 02:03:03,019
but with the state of miniaturization of

2815
02:03:08,790 --> 02:03:05,360
Technology right now we have the

2816
02:03:11,859 --> 02:03:08,800
capability with motion detection and

2817
02:03:14,229 --> 02:03:11,869
infrared and in in miniaturization of

2818
02:03:16,299 --> 02:03:14,239
cameras and with you know actual data

2819
02:03:19,060 --> 02:03:16,309
storage devices you could hardwire a

2820
02:03:21,310 --> 02:03:19,070
house for very little money that would

2821
02:03:22,919 --> 02:03:21,320
be triggered by any sort of motion that

2822
02:03:25,270 --> 02:03:22,929
would be triggered by any sort of

2823
02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:25,280
variation and energy levels in the house

2824
02:03:30,239 --> 02:03:28,010
I mean it's it's literally not rocket

2825
02:03:32,589 --> 02:03:30,249
science anymore if I was it really

2826
02:03:35,140 --> 02:03:32,599
involved to the depth that you are and

2827
02:03:37,540 --> 02:03:35,150
other investigators are in this

2828
02:03:40,149 --> 02:03:37,550
particular phenomenon I'd take my best

2829
02:03:41,020 --> 02:03:40,159
cases and I would have them wired for

2830
02:03:43,779 --> 02:03:41,030
sound

2831
02:03:46,600 --> 02:03:43,789
infrared audio whenever sort of

2832
02:03:48,759 --> 02:03:46,610
energetic properties might change you

2833
02:03:50,430 --> 02:03:48,769
know with with iam meters that our

2834
02:03:52,590 --> 02:03:50,440
record on demand with

2835
02:03:55,620 --> 02:03:52,600
we're on whenever you however you want

2836
02:03:58,410 --> 02:03:55,630
to trigger it this type of technology 30

2837
02:04:01,470 --> 02:03:58,420
years after you first tried it is very

2838
02:04:04,500 --> 02:04:01,480
affordable it's extremely reliable and I

2839
02:04:06,870 --> 02:04:04,510
would think that this would be a major a

2840
02:04:10,650 --> 02:04:06,880
major part of your investigative work

2841
02:04:12,990 --> 02:04:10,660
try to get physical irrefutable visual

2842
02:04:15,750 --> 02:04:13,000
and other types of data to support the

2843
02:04:17,610 --> 02:04:15,760
claims of these individuals and you

2844
02:04:19,709 --> 02:04:17,620
would have to do it without their

2845
02:04:22,800 --> 02:04:19,719
knowledge without the abductees

2846
02:04:24,900 --> 02:04:22,810
knowledge yes now you run into ethical

2847
02:04:26,550 --> 02:04:24,910
problems wait a minute I don't

2848
02:04:29,640 --> 02:04:26,560
understand why wouldn't why couldn't

2849
02:04:32,520 --> 02:04:29,650
they just agree to that and then their

2850
02:04:34,380 --> 02:04:32,530
friends the aliens would know they'd

2851
02:04:36,660 --> 02:04:34,390
know what they've been up to they would

2852
02:04:38,459 --> 02:04:36,670
understand and so what you'd see is you

2853
02:04:40,800 --> 02:04:38,469
see an abductee just like I saw getting

2854
02:04:44,150 --> 02:04:40,810
up in the mellah night and going not to

2855
02:04:49,920 --> 02:04:44,160
another room but outside or wherever or

2856
02:04:51,870 --> 02:04:49,930
getting away from whatever is I disagree

2857
02:04:54,090 --> 02:04:51,880
I mean you could have every exit to

2858
02:04:57,000 --> 02:04:54,100
every house with a pinhole camera I mean

2859
02:04:59,459 --> 02:04:57,010
you could have everything totally say no

2860
02:05:01,290 --> 02:04:59,469
it's a problem however all you have to

2861
02:05:02,760 --> 02:05:01,300
do is say do I have permission to do

2862
02:05:05,280 --> 02:05:02,770
this and will you sign this

2863
02:05:07,830 --> 02:05:05,290
this dog gives me permission to do this

2864
02:05:10,860 --> 02:05:07,840
and I don't have to tell you where these

2865
02:05:12,540 --> 02:05:10,870
devices are located right okay if if

2866
02:05:14,970 --> 02:05:12,550
they were able to go and turn something

2867
02:05:17,070 --> 02:05:14,980
off when they should not know how to do

2868
02:05:20,160 --> 02:05:17,080
that or where to go to do that that's

2869
02:05:22,709 --> 02:05:20,170
major proof right there absolutely so

2870
02:05:25,979 --> 02:05:22,719
why isn't this being done listen I'm a

2871
02:05:32,400 --> 02:05:25,989
historian and there's so much I can do

2872
02:05:35,070 --> 02:05:32,410
in my life the extra mile to ascertain

2873
02:05:37,890 --> 02:05:35,080
the situation in a way that will provide

2874
02:05:39,900 --> 02:05:37,900
you with irrefutable hard data and

2875
02:05:41,640 --> 02:05:39,910
physical evidence that would support the

2876
02:05:44,670 --> 02:05:41,650
claims of these hundreds and hundreds of

2877
02:05:47,160 --> 02:05:44,680
people to me I mean the average skeptic

2878
02:05:49,110 --> 02:05:47,170
of scientists would look at this and say

2879
02:05:51,209 --> 02:05:49,120
well you know there's ways to do this

2880
02:05:53,640 --> 02:05:51,219
WC Levengood came up with a great idea

2881
02:05:56,280 --> 02:05:53,650
why not put on germinated seeds and

2882
02:05:58,860 --> 02:05:56,290
enrollers in a woman's hair and see what

2883
02:06:01,290 --> 02:05:58,870
what effect you have on the the the

2884
02:06:03,510 --> 02:06:01,300
seeds in terms of their physiological

2885
02:06:04,209 --> 02:06:03,520
properties once an abduction occurrences

2886
02:06:05,680 --> 02:06:04,219
happen

2887
02:06:07,750 --> 02:06:05,690
and based it against the control group

2888
02:06:09,339 --> 02:06:07,760
taken from the same plan that that sort

2889
02:06:11,290 --> 02:06:09,349
of thing there's there's really creative

2890
02:06:13,870 --> 02:06:11,300
ways to to go about this in terms of

2891
02:06:17,109 --> 02:06:13,880
being a researcher in an in a field

2892
02:06:19,540 --> 02:06:17,119
investigator this is a these are real

2893
02:06:20,919 --> 02:06:19,550
events is what you're saying and what

2894
02:06:23,200 --> 02:06:20,929
the abductees are saying these are real

2895
02:06:26,739 --> 02:06:23,210
events so there are ways to ascertain

2896
02:06:29,640 --> 02:06:26,749
the level of reality get me a team with

2897
02:06:33,279 --> 02:06:29,650
enough money and enough wherewithal

2898
02:06:35,649 --> 02:06:33,289
I mean I have specialized in doing

2899
02:06:39,219 --> 02:06:35,659
hypnosis with abductees now having said

2900
02:06:41,709 --> 02:06:39,229
that there was one incident in which we

2901
02:06:45,729 --> 02:06:41,719
were gonna put this is in the VCR days a

2902
02:06:47,560 --> 02:06:45,739
a camera a tiny little camera in a

2903
02:06:51,549 --> 02:06:47,570
person's window that they would not know

2904
02:06:54,219 --> 02:06:51,559
of focusing on her bedroom whatever that

2905
02:06:56,799 --> 02:06:54,229
will be attached to a recorder that went

2906
02:07:00,310 --> 02:06:56,809
down down the stairs to an apartment

2907
02:07:04,330 --> 02:07:00,320
below the woman below was ready for this

2908
02:07:06,279 --> 02:07:04,340
the abductee did not know it and record

2909
02:07:09,719 --> 02:07:06,289
everything that went on at least during

2910
02:07:12,430 --> 02:07:09,729
the night I had a funding to do this and

2911
02:07:14,140 --> 02:07:12,440
the woman involved with it had no

2912
02:07:16,330 --> 02:07:14,150
knowledge of it and it was gonna be done

2913
02:07:18,759 --> 02:07:16,340
by this happened it was gonna happen in

2914
02:07:20,890 --> 02:07:18,769
Ohio the local researcher there was

2915
02:07:23,680 --> 02:07:20,900
going to install this equipment himself

2916
02:07:27,399 --> 02:07:23,690
everything was ready somebody found out

2917
02:07:30,939 --> 02:07:27,409
about it called our benefactor he pulled

2918
02:07:32,560 --> 02:07:30,949
out because she had found out and nobody

2919
02:07:35,169 --> 02:07:32,570
was supposed to know not the abductee

2920
02:07:38,109 --> 02:07:35,179
but another person who had talked with

2921
02:07:38,529 --> 02:07:38,119
this researcher in Ohio and he pulled

2922
02:07:43,479 --> 02:07:38,539
out

2923
02:07:45,459 --> 02:07:43,489
the abductee and tell her what we had

2924
02:07:51,390 --> 02:07:45,469
been planning for her and she was

2925
02:07:57,729 --> 02:07:54,250
mistakes they're wasted be there stop

2926
02:08:00,969 --> 02:07:57,739
stop she was angry at the woman who had

2927
02:08:03,669 --> 02:08:00,979
interfered with her life she was all set

2928
02:08:05,819 --> 02:08:03,679
to do it everything was ready she was

2929
02:08:08,140 --> 02:08:05,829
angry that this woman had thrown a

2930
02:08:10,630 --> 02:08:08,150
monkey wrench into the works

2931
02:08:15,100 --> 02:08:10,640
that's as close as we ever came you can

2932
02:08:17,110 --> 02:08:15,110
chastise me all you want are ways to get

2933
02:08:22,290 --> 02:08:17,120
to the bottom of the physicality of this

2934
02:08:25,870 --> 02:08:22,300
yes you'd be done there's all that do it

2935
02:08:28,600 --> 02:08:25,880
okay dr. Jacobs yes there are less

2936
02:08:32,020 --> 02:08:28,610
expensive ways now for us to do things

2937
02:08:33,669 --> 02:08:32,030
like this and I'm sure that the

2938
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listeners of the power cast we have

2939
02:08:39,790 --> 02:08:38,060
people here who could possibly volunteer

2940
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to be of assistance in something like

2941
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this because the thing is here is we

2942
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have lots of anecdotal reports it may be

2943
02:08:49,959 --> 02:08:46,429
a hard percent consistent 90% consistent

2944
02:08:52,240 --> 02:08:49,969
painting a picture that we have hybrid

2945
02:08:53,979 --> 02:08:52,250
or Hubert aliens here and they're

2946
02:08:56,860 --> 02:08:53,989
infiltrating us and they have some kind

2947
02:08:58,479 --> 02:08:56,870
of purpose in mind for doing so we think

2948
02:09:01,720 --> 02:08:58,489
I'm gonna ask you about that in a moment

2949
02:09:03,910 --> 02:09:01,730
there's surely a way to test this to

2950
02:09:06,520 --> 02:09:03,920
have the equipment there so that when

2951
02:09:08,890 --> 02:09:06,530
somebody is being abducted we see the

2952
02:09:11,350 --> 02:09:08,900
physical effects if there are physical

2953
02:09:13,570 --> 02:09:11,360
effects we ought to find a way to see

2954
02:09:15,640 --> 02:09:13,580
them well there are physical effects on

2955
02:09:17,740 --> 02:09:15,650
people's bodies yes there are but

2956
02:09:19,479 --> 02:09:17,750
sometimes people could say well those

2957
02:09:22,390 --> 02:09:19,489
things may be the result of something

2958
02:09:24,939 --> 02:09:22,400
else an accident psychology that kind of

2959
02:09:28,840 --> 02:09:24,949
thing I know you're talking about seeing

2960
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the event as it takes place it would be

2961
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wonderful I will take that I work with

2962
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people right now the only three people

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Americans right now are in are in

2964
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another country and I don't work with

2965
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anybody I can get to very closely I may

2966
02:09:49,630 --> 02:09:47,150
not even work again anymore I'm getting

2967
02:09:54,990 --> 02:09:49,640
long in the tooth I'm old I want to

2968
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there's gotta be other people who can do

2969
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this

2970
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I'm more than willing to help them in

2971
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any way do this you know it's I'll be

2972
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happy to do that

2973
02:10:11,229 --> 02:10:09,500
okay yeah we do the break here we'll go

2974
02:10:14,500 --> 02:10:11,239
into more of this we have dr. David

2975
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Jacobs anyone out there want to pick up

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on his research move to the next level

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test the research and the results with

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gene and Chris you're in

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our caste thank you for listening to GCN

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[Music]

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hi this is Bryce Abel I'm the producer

3100
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of dark skies the co-author of AD after

3101
02:14:53,050 --> 02:14:50,910
disclosure and you are listening to the

3102
02:15:02,720 --> 02:14:53,060
para cast the gold standard of

3103
02:15:04,190 --> 02:15:02,730
paranormal radio you know this is one of

3104
02:15:07,220 --> 02:15:04,200
the most important things we've come up

3105
02:15:10,250 --> 02:15:07,230
with here because you're a layman you're

3106
02:15:12,560 --> 02:15:10,260
a history professor you know a scientist

3107
02:15:15,350 --> 02:15:12,570
and I gather you're trying to do the

3108
02:15:17,780 --> 02:15:15,360
best you can but at this point we have

3109
02:15:20,090 --> 02:15:17,790
all these stories and we need to put it

3110
02:15:22,580 --> 02:15:20,100
together and find evidence of what is

3111
02:15:25,580 --> 02:15:22,590
going on have you ever personally met up

3112
02:15:28,790 --> 02:15:25,590
with a so called hubris not that I know

3113
02:15:30,230 --> 02:15:28,800
of would you even know I mean if you saw

3114
02:15:33,710 --> 02:15:30,240
somebody in the street or in the local

3115
02:15:37,310 --> 02:15:33,720
Circle K or the Starbucks would you

3116
02:15:39,500 --> 02:15:37,320
recognize them no geez I've met people

3117
02:15:42,320 --> 02:15:39,510
that I had some real serious questions

3118
02:15:44,360 --> 02:15:42,330
about well that's true the other thing

3119
02:15:47,020 --> 02:15:44,370
is here if I took him to the local

3120
02:15:49,790 --> 02:15:47,030
doctor they broke a leg and the doctor

3121
02:15:53,680 --> 02:15:49,800
at the emergency room gives him sex rays

3122
02:15:57,050 --> 02:15:53,690
with the x-ray show a totally human

3123
02:16:00,860 --> 02:15:57,060
person yes except that that wouldn't

3124
02:16:02,750 --> 02:16:00,870
happen they would be fixed immediately

3125
02:16:06,280 --> 02:16:02,760
you mean because they're being monitored

3126
02:16:08,240 --> 02:16:06,290
and et would come down and fix it no

3127
02:16:08,780 --> 02:16:08,250
it's there it's not that they're being

3128
02:16:11,270 --> 02:16:08,790
monitored

3129
02:16:13,220 --> 02:16:11,280
they have communication that that we

3130
02:16:15,140 --> 02:16:13,230
don't it's not that they're spending a

3131
02:16:16,850 --> 02:16:15,150
hundred percent of the time here because

3132
02:16:18,860 --> 02:16:16,860
we don't know what they do at night or

3133
02:16:20,360 --> 02:16:18,870
when they're not around an abductee so

3134
02:16:23,030 --> 02:16:20,370
the question is what percentage of the

3135
02:16:26,720 --> 02:16:23,040
time they spend here I said 100 percent

3136
02:16:31,220 --> 02:16:26,730
or is it 90% or 80% or 70% where they go

3137
02:16:32,660 --> 02:16:31,230
up to to the UFO my guess is that if

3138
02:16:34,310 --> 02:16:32,670
there was a broken arm or something like

3139
02:16:36,530 --> 02:16:34,320
that they go to the UFO have it fixed

3140
02:16:38,480 --> 02:16:36,540
immediately in come right back down okay

3141
02:16:42,980 --> 02:16:38,490
but what if they're knocked unconscious

3142
02:16:45,020 --> 02:16:42,990
what's that what if I have no idea yeah

3143
02:16:48,080 --> 02:16:45,030
that's getting into pure speculation gee

3144
02:16:51,470 --> 02:16:48,090
sure I want to know dr. Jacobs is how

3145
02:16:53,630 --> 02:16:51,480
extensive in the past you know what

3146
02:16:56,090 --> 02:16:53,640
we're talking 12 years since you first

3147
02:16:57,900 --> 02:16:56,100
got an inkling of this type of agenda

3148
02:17:01,320 --> 02:16:57,910
potential agenda going on

3149
02:17:03,090 --> 02:17:01,330
how much effort has been done except for

3150
02:17:05,310 --> 02:17:03,100
you staking out that one apartment to

3151
02:17:07,830 --> 02:17:05,320
identify an actual hybrid and somehow

3152
02:17:09,990 --> 02:17:07,840
gain genetic material if you could gain

3153
02:17:12,950 --> 02:17:10,000
the genetic material of just one of

3154
02:17:15,270 --> 02:17:12,960
these entities that would be slam dunk

3155
02:17:17,220 --> 02:17:15,280
scientific evidence that would totally

3156
02:17:18,090 --> 02:17:17,230
vindicate any questions that people have

3157
02:17:20,940 --> 02:17:18,100
about your work

3158
02:17:22,980 --> 02:17:20,950
well that would be great that would be

3159
02:17:27,510 --> 02:17:22,990
the gold standard what we want is DNA in

3160
02:17:32,669 --> 02:17:27,520
some way I have I have two different

3161
02:17:33,690 --> 02:17:32,679
hairs from from hybrids but not the bulb

3162
02:17:36,060 --> 02:17:33,700
and without the bulb

3163
02:17:39,600 --> 02:17:36,070
you can't without the roots you can't do

3164
02:17:41,310 --> 02:17:39,610
anything with it basically I've been

3165
02:17:45,030 --> 02:17:41,320
round and round about this business for

3166
02:17:47,340 --> 02:17:45,040
a long time I I want that in fact a

3167
02:17:50,220 --> 02:17:47,350
people have sent me sometimes these

3168
02:17:53,490 --> 02:17:50,230
beings will use a dye and people have

3169
02:17:56,250 --> 02:17:53,500
sent me pink clothes that were pink

3170
02:17:58,860 --> 02:17:56,260
they've sent me clothes and sheets and

3171
02:18:01,230 --> 02:17:58,870
pillowcases that were sort of like

3172
02:18:04,380 --> 02:18:01,240
coffee colored and I've had them

3173
02:18:06,630 --> 02:18:04,390
analyzed nobody knows what they are what

3174
02:18:09,209 --> 02:18:06,640
do you mean nobody knows what what is

3175
02:18:12,540 --> 02:18:09,219
well what you're doing is you're testing

3176
02:18:15,419 --> 02:18:12,550
for an unknown and if you write you want

3177
02:18:18,030 --> 02:18:15,429
to know what this what this liquid was

3178
02:18:20,760 --> 02:18:18,040
or is that's on this clothes of a person

3179
02:18:23,940 --> 02:18:20,770
that was abducted when you test for an

3180
02:18:25,140 --> 02:18:23,950
unknown then it's almost impossible to

3181
02:18:27,360 --> 02:18:25,150
figure it out because all they can do is

3182
02:18:29,100 --> 02:18:27,370
test for unknown it's not coffee

3183
02:18:32,520 --> 02:18:29,110
so you have actual physical evidence

3184
02:18:34,650 --> 02:18:32,530
that cannot test out to some logical or

3185
02:18:36,120 --> 02:18:34,660
mundane explanation into varieties that

3186
02:18:37,980 --> 02:18:36,130
is correct but that doesn't mean

3187
02:18:39,660 --> 02:18:37,990
anything just because people don't know

3188
02:18:42,840 --> 02:18:39,670
because chemists don't know what it is

3189
02:18:46,500 --> 02:18:42,850
doesn't mean it's not something that is

3190
02:18:48,270 --> 02:18:46,510
normal it doesn't mean that's that's big

3191
02:18:50,130 --> 02:18:48,280
I mean that's a step in the right

3192
02:18:53,760 --> 02:18:50,140
direction and as far as I've done this

3193
02:18:58,050 --> 02:18:53,770
several times and I have had it analyzed

3194
02:19:00,240 --> 02:18:58,060
and there you cannot it's almost

3195
02:19:02,280 --> 02:19:00,250
impossible to test for an unknown

3196
02:19:05,190 --> 02:19:02,290
because what happens with chemists is

3197
02:19:07,650 --> 02:19:05,200
they have different liquids that they

3198
02:19:08,760 --> 02:19:07,660
they'll they'll have teaspoon of that a

3199
02:19:09,490 --> 02:19:08,770
teaspoon of this and a teaspoon of

3200
02:19:11,049 --> 02:19:09,500
something

3201
02:19:13,480 --> 02:19:11,059
they put it in and then they patent it

3202
02:19:16,660 --> 02:19:13,490
right yeah I understand how the process

3203
02:19:19,950 --> 02:19:16,670
goes but you know for instance some sort

3204
02:19:23,530 --> 02:19:19,960
of metallic slag dribbling from a

3205
02:19:26,350 --> 02:19:23,540
distressed disk going under analysis and

3206
02:19:29,560 --> 02:19:26,360
finding metallic metallic substance it's

3207
02:19:32,770 --> 02:19:29,570
not known in the periodic table it would

3208
02:19:35,680 --> 02:19:32,780
be an example of of an unknown that can

3209
02:19:38,560 --> 02:19:35,690
be tested for and determined to be not

3210
02:19:41,709 --> 02:19:38,570
of this planet and fine

3211
02:19:44,020 --> 02:19:41,719
great alright so I mean there are ways

3212
02:19:45,820 --> 02:19:44,030
around that particular scenario of just

3213
02:19:48,640 --> 02:19:45,830
saying well we can't figure out what it

3214
02:19:50,620 --> 02:19:48,650
is so no I'm only dealing with the

3215
02:19:52,030 --> 02:19:50,630
evidence that I have person right I

3216
02:19:53,560 --> 02:19:52,040
understand that that's not dealing with

3217
02:19:55,480 --> 02:19:53,570
evidence I don't have I mean obviously

3218
02:19:57,760 --> 02:19:55,490
there's guys too limited with evidence

3219
02:20:00,040 --> 02:19:57,770
you don't have right and I understand

3220
02:20:02,110 --> 02:20:00,050
that and you know I'm not I'm not

3221
02:20:04,870 --> 02:20:02,120
chastising you I'm saying I'm all I'm

3222
02:20:07,480 --> 02:20:04,880
doing is agreeing that there is a way to

3223
02:20:08,890 --> 02:20:07,490
look at something that tests out as an

3224
02:20:12,100 --> 02:20:08,900
unknown and looking at it and

3225
02:20:15,340 --> 02:20:12,110
determining you know the degree of how

3226
02:20:17,170 --> 02:20:15,350
unknown it is if you will we need you

3227
02:20:19,780 --> 02:20:17,180
know gosh I I can't believe it Jane this

3228
02:20:22,690 --> 02:20:19,790
show has really flown by we're down to

3229
02:20:25,060 --> 02:20:22,700
our last two segments David and I've got

3230
02:20:27,040 --> 02:20:25,070
you know like I said 4050 questions I

3231
02:20:30,520 --> 02:20:27,050
want to at least get to a couple of them

3232
02:20:33,820 --> 02:20:30,530
you mentioned analyzing data analyzing

3233
02:20:38,200 --> 02:20:33,830
evidence burnt State one of our you know

3234
02:20:41,740 --> 02:20:38,210
real very up to speed and shrewd posters

3235
02:20:44,890 --> 02:20:41,750
is interested in a number here and that

3236
02:20:46,630 --> 02:20:44,900
is what percentage of your clients have

3237
02:20:48,640 --> 02:20:46,640
identified any sort of mental health

3238
02:20:51,490 --> 02:20:48,650
concerns have a history of mental health

3239
02:20:53,440 --> 02:20:51,500
concerns any sort of sexual assault or

3240
02:20:53,980 --> 02:20:53,450
sexual abuse as part of their past

3241
02:20:56,520 --> 02:20:53,990
history

3242
02:20:58,780 --> 02:20:56,530
have you made a determination of

3243
02:21:02,410 --> 02:20:58,790
possible extenuating environmental

3244
02:21:05,830 --> 02:21:02,420
circumstances that that may or you know

3245
02:21:07,420 --> 02:21:05,840
that may have somehow impacted their you

3246
02:21:08,320 --> 02:21:07,430
know their personal history and in their

3247
02:21:12,190 --> 02:21:08,330
story

3248
02:21:15,250 --> 02:21:12,200
no I for people who have very serious I

3249
02:21:18,040 --> 02:21:15,260
try to weed out people who have mental

3250
02:21:22,060 --> 02:21:18,050
problems I have been unsuccessful a

3251
02:21:22,740 --> 02:21:22,070
couple of times in sexual assault in the

3252
02:21:24,810 --> 02:21:22,750
sexual

3253
02:21:25,950 --> 02:21:24,820
yeah that happens I've worked with

3254
02:21:28,350 --> 02:21:25,960
people who thought they were sexually

3255
02:21:30,360 --> 02:21:28,360
abused we looked at the event and they

3256
02:21:31,740 --> 02:21:30,370
weren't sexually abused I've looked at

3257
02:21:33,780 --> 02:21:31,750
people who thought they were sexually

3258
02:21:36,720 --> 02:21:33,790
abused no III mean just mundane like my

3259
02:21:39,780 --> 02:21:36,730
stepdad he you know used to fund me that

3260
02:21:41,251 --> 02:21:39,790
sort of thing ya know that's a SP people

3261
02:21:42,421 --> 02:21:41,261
have told me that they know the

3262
02:21:44,190 --> 02:21:42,431
difference between that and the

3263
02:21:45,810 --> 02:21:44,200
abduction phenomena but what percentage

3264
02:21:48,690 --> 02:21:45,820
of people have had those types of

3265
02:21:51,930 --> 02:21:48,700
experiences in there I'm just a few

3266
02:21:54,541 --> 02:21:51,940
really who are poor that's it that would

3267
02:21:58,591 --> 02:21:54,551
be an exception as opposed to some sort

3268
02:22:02,100 --> 02:21:58,601
of I'm thinking yeah one two three I

3269
02:22:04,711 --> 02:22:02,110
don't know maybe five or so it's it's

3270
02:22:07,621 --> 02:22:04,721
not you know it's it's not that usual

3271
02:22:08,970 --> 02:22:07,631
but when people are sexually abused as

3272
02:22:10,501 --> 02:22:08,980
children they remember it they

3273
02:22:12,301 --> 02:22:10,511
remembered starting when they were six

3274
02:22:15,600 --> 02:22:12,311
years old and going to 14 years old and

3275
02:22:17,791 --> 02:22:15,610
it was their father stepfather or their

3276
02:22:19,291 --> 02:22:17,801
brother or whatever it was and and they

3277
02:22:20,551 --> 02:22:19,301
told them at 14 that you know they're

3278
02:22:23,041 --> 02:22:20,561
gonna call the police if they kept doing

3279
02:22:23,671 --> 02:22:23,051
it and blah blah blah they know all that

3280
02:22:25,501 --> 02:22:23,681
sort of stuff

3281
02:22:27,301 --> 02:22:25,511
well I'm not saying they don't I'm just

3282
02:22:29,011 --> 02:22:27,311
saying how many actually divulge that

3283
02:22:31,171 --> 02:22:29,021
kind of information to you oh they

3284
02:22:33,600 --> 02:22:31,181
there's they're not ashamed to oppose

3285
02:22:35,700 --> 02:22:33,610
that kind of information this is a

3286
02:22:39,600 --> 02:22:35,710
phenomenon where you think it's very few

3287
02:22:42,030 --> 02:22:39,610
out of the whole the whole links well

3288
02:22:43,711 --> 02:22:42,040
yeah the people you have to remember

3289
02:22:45,841 --> 02:22:43,721
this is a reproductively oriented

3290
02:22:48,990 --> 02:22:45,851
phenomenon so I will be asking them

3291
02:22:51,720 --> 02:22:49,000
questions that have are very intimate

3292
02:22:53,881 --> 02:22:51,730
questions for anybody for male or female

3293
02:22:56,310 --> 02:22:53,891
lead to burn States second question do

3294
02:22:58,051 --> 02:22:56,320
you have any concerns regarding the

3295
02:23:00,180 --> 02:22:58,061
inherent problems involved in the

3296
02:23:02,610 --> 02:23:00,190
intimacy's involved with male hypnotist

3297
02:23:05,161 --> 02:23:02,620
exploring female stories of alien sex

3298
02:23:06,871 --> 02:23:05,171
and reproduction and how do you

3299
02:23:08,881 --> 02:23:06,881
safeguard yourself in this subject to

3300
02:23:11,640 --> 02:23:08,891
ensure that neither of you will be taken

3301
02:23:14,810 --> 02:23:11,650
advantage of during much a very complex

3302
02:23:16,530 --> 02:23:14,820
relationship between patient and doctor

3303
02:23:19,350 --> 02:23:16,540
especially when you're seeing them

3304
02:23:21,211 --> 02:23:19,360
frequently and and they kind of do you

3305
02:23:25,501 --> 02:23:21,221
know what I would think the intimacy and

3306
02:23:27,661 --> 02:23:25,511
in the the level of of candor probably

3307
02:23:30,690 --> 02:23:27,671
increases that's a good question I mean

3308
02:23:33,091 --> 02:23:30,700
how do you you know how do you address

3309
02:23:35,461 --> 02:23:33,101
those concerns or do you have concerns I

3310
02:23:36,389 --> 02:23:35,471
don't have concerns and neither do

3311
02:23:39,739 --> 02:23:36,399
people who I work

3312
02:23:43,679 --> 02:23:39,749
with Wow cool simple as that

3313
02:23:51,300 --> 02:23:43,689
it'sit'sit's in terms of one particular

3314
02:23:53,370 --> 02:23:51,310
person she used well I won't go into it

3315
02:23:55,319 --> 02:23:53,380
I had one problem with one person all of

3316
02:23:58,019 --> 02:23:55,329
us had ever had a problem with they

3317
02:23:59,939 --> 02:23:58,029
understand immediately that this is a

3318
02:24:03,889 --> 02:23:59,949
reproductively oriented phenomenon they

3319
02:24:05,790 --> 02:24:03,899
know that I I'm not interested in

3320
02:24:07,679 --> 02:24:05,800
reproduction for them I'm only

3321
02:24:10,080 --> 02:24:07,689
interested in the procedures that are

3322
02:24:12,149 --> 02:24:10,090
being administered to them let's do our

3323
02:24:13,500 --> 02:24:12,159
break here because we have one more

3324
02:24:15,870 --> 02:24:13,510
segment left and we'll have to move

3325
02:24:18,179 --> 02:24:15,880
quickly and I have a very significant

3326
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question to ask the kind of sums it up a

3327
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bit with dr. David Jacobs and gene and

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[Music]

3422
02:29:01,660 --> 02:29:00,050
so let's move into our final segment

3423
02:29:03,429 --> 02:29:01,670
here with dr. David Jacobs

3424
02:29:05,860 --> 02:29:03,439
we're talking about aliens walking

3425
02:29:08,559 --> 02:29:05,870
amongst us and we want to know what the

3426
02:29:10,719 --> 02:29:08,569
endgame is here so dr. Jacobs do you

3427
02:29:13,690 --> 02:29:10,729
have any idea base on the work you've

3428
02:29:17,050 --> 02:29:13,700
done how widespread this phenomenon is

3429
02:29:19,420 --> 02:29:17,060
how many hubris are there on earth and

3430
02:29:21,040 --> 02:29:19,430
what's the agenda yeah I the first

3431
02:29:23,170 --> 02:29:21,050
question is how many are there how many

3432
02:29:25,360 --> 02:29:23,180
of them are here and the answer is I

3433
02:29:27,820 --> 02:29:25,370
don't know of course however if I

3434
02:29:30,969 --> 02:29:27,830
discovered this happening in my corner

3435
02:29:33,309 --> 02:29:30,979
of southeastern Pennsylvania that means

3436
02:29:37,179 --> 02:29:33,319
the possibility that this is the very

3437
02:29:40,389 --> 02:29:37,189
first place and the first time that they

3438
02:29:42,340 --> 02:29:40,399
are putting hubris down here

3439
02:29:45,280 --> 02:29:42,350
that's impossible yeah well it's

3440
02:29:47,410 --> 02:29:45,290
billions to one yeah so therefore it's

3441
02:29:49,630 --> 02:29:47,420
happening everywhere if I found it here

3442
02:29:51,519 --> 02:29:49,640
it's happening everywhere the second

3443
02:29:53,080 --> 02:29:51,529
question was what again I'm sorry yeah

3444
02:29:55,929 --> 02:29:53,090
what does ET want to do with us

3445
02:29:58,740 --> 02:29:55,939
I'm calling this for want of a better

3446
02:30:02,200 --> 02:29:58,750
phrase and for want of a better idea

3447
02:30:05,830 --> 02:30:02,210
planetary acquisition this because this

3448
02:30:11,380 --> 02:30:05,840
is global and because the amount of

3449
02:30:12,670 --> 02:30:11,390
energy and material and beings involved

3450
02:30:14,550 --> 02:30:12,680
which is all another world how this

3451
02:30:17,410 --> 02:30:14,560
happens and because it's

3452
02:30:19,929 --> 02:30:17,420
intergenerational I think that this is

3453
02:30:22,420 --> 02:30:19,939
in fact a a takeover a planetary

3454
02:30:25,750 --> 02:30:22,430
takeover well it's like it's got a long

3455
02:30:27,910 --> 02:30:25,760
bell curve involved here why don't they

3456
02:30:30,670 --> 02:30:27,920
just abduct Rupert Murdoch or the Koch

3457
02:30:34,150 --> 02:30:30,680
brothers or you know that some of the

3458
02:30:37,269 --> 02:30:34,160
Rothschilds or perhaps I mean I could I

3459
02:30:39,639 --> 02:30:37,279
could go comedic here Kim Kardashian you

3460
02:30:42,160 --> 02:30:39,649
know maybe reduce the size of her ass

3461
02:30:44,469 --> 02:30:42,170
and and and blow everybody's mind I mean

3462
02:30:47,019 --> 02:30:44,479
I mean you could have religious miracles

3463
02:30:49,480 --> 02:30:47,029
that would have much more impact in in

3464
02:30:51,460 --> 02:30:49,490
in an immediate way you know apparent

3465
02:30:53,320 --> 02:30:51,470
religious miracles you're given I mean

3466
02:30:58,410 --> 02:30:53,330
where I'm going with this I mean to me

3467
02:31:02,740 --> 02:30:58,420
this seems like a a an extremely just a

3468
02:31:06,040 --> 02:31:02,750
long-term just incremental process of

3469
02:31:08,290 --> 02:31:06,050
slowly you know as like a parasite like

3470
02:31:10,609 --> 02:31:08,300
a mistletoe on a juniper tree it just

3471
02:31:15,109 --> 02:31:10,619
slowly takes a whole tree over

3472
02:31:15,889 --> 02:31:15,119
wouldn't one or one key person in in in

3473
02:31:18,649 --> 02:31:15,899
society

3474
02:31:20,629 --> 02:31:18,659
why not strike at the at the the root

3475
02:31:22,579 --> 02:31:20,639
you know the taproot of the culture to

3476
02:31:24,739 --> 02:31:22,589
change it why go through this whole

3477
02:31:28,159 --> 02:31:24,749
thing with people in trailer parks and

3478
02:31:30,829 --> 02:31:28,169
working at Walmart or you know a lot of

3479
02:31:33,529 --> 02:31:30,839
middle middle-aged housewives that I

3480
02:31:35,779 --> 02:31:33,539
think might need a life pardon me if

3481
02:31:37,699 --> 02:31:35,789
that insults anyone it just seems that

3482
02:31:40,779 --> 02:31:37,709
the people that are being selected to

3483
02:31:43,369 --> 02:31:40,789
enact this this huge take over a change

3484
02:31:45,229 --> 02:31:43,379
are the least likely people there to

3485
02:31:48,800 --> 02:31:45,239
have any sort of influence on the rest

3486
02:31:50,749 --> 02:31:48,810
of the culture i I'm just a disconnect

3487
02:31:54,319 --> 02:31:50,759
going on here yeah before you answer

3488
02:31:56,329 --> 02:31:54,329
David we have maybe six minutes for your

3489
02:31:59,209 --> 02:31:56,339
answer so I don't want to rush you but

3490
02:32:02,719 --> 02:31:59,219
that's how it is go ahead well the

3491
02:32:04,789 --> 02:32:02,729
problem here is that you are what I said

3492
02:32:06,169 --> 02:32:04,799
before was that a person these people

3493
02:32:07,699 --> 02:32:06,179
are not abducted because their mother or

3494
02:32:10,340 --> 02:32:07,709
their father were not abductees that

3495
02:32:11,599 --> 02:32:10,350
applies that's the end of it are there

3496
02:32:13,699 --> 02:32:11,609
people in the government or abductees

3497
02:32:15,289 --> 02:32:13,709
probably are there people who live in

3498
02:32:17,479 --> 02:32:15,299
trailers probably are there are people

3499
02:32:19,729 --> 02:32:17,489
who are middle-class probably are there

3500
02:32:21,260 --> 02:32:19,739
people who are who have PhDs and ll

3501
02:32:23,269 --> 02:32:21,270
these and all the rest SF as I described

3502
02:32:25,599 --> 02:32:23,279
before yes for some reason or another

3503
02:32:28,459 --> 02:32:25,609
Chris you've forgotten about our labs

3504
02:32:30,229 --> 02:32:28,469
this is an intergenerational phenomenon

3505
02:32:32,179 --> 02:32:30,239
and it's rigidly so people are not

3506
02:32:35,709 --> 02:32:32,189
experienced or David so I'm you know I'm

3507
02:32:38,569 --> 02:32:35,719
not just coming at this from a complete

3508
02:32:40,969 --> 02:32:38,579
question then and the why question can't

3509
02:32:44,300 --> 02:32:40,979
be answered in this area we don't know

3510
02:32:46,369 --> 02:32:44,310
enough Abdullah enough and therefore I

3511
02:32:49,099 --> 02:32:46,379
don't know we don't know why this

3512
02:32:51,679 --> 02:32:49,109
phenomenon is happening I don't know why

3513
02:32:54,619 --> 02:32:51,689
if this is planetary acquisition and I

3514
02:32:56,959 --> 02:32:54,629
think it is this is the change I don't

3515
02:32:59,689 --> 02:32:56,969
know why they are doing it the only ones

3516
02:33:02,269 --> 02:32:59,699
who know why are the insect-like ones

3517
02:33:05,029 --> 02:33:02,279
who I call insect the limbs they are the

3518
02:33:08,119 --> 02:33:05,039
order givers and everybody else is an

3519
02:33:09,739 --> 02:33:08,129
order taker the reptilians which people

3520
02:33:11,869 --> 02:33:09,749
in the Internet seem to be fascinated

3521
02:33:15,079 --> 02:33:11,879
with to a degree that is beyond my

3522
02:33:17,749 --> 02:33:15,089
imagination are sometimes reported

3523
02:33:20,599 --> 02:33:17,759
that's all just as Pamela Stonebrook

3524
02:33:22,770 --> 02:33:20,609
they are sometimes reported at but most

3525
02:33:25,350 --> 02:33:22,780
of the people don't report them

3526
02:33:27,450 --> 02:33:25,360
sometimes everybody mostess I'm the most

3527
02:33:29,400 --> 02:33:27,460
of them reporter once in a while but

3528
02:33:32,251 --> 02:33:29,410
there I go into this and the book is

3529
02:33:36,001 --> 02:33:32,261
show probably what their role is in this

3530
02:33:39,001 --> 02:33:36,011
phenomenon however this is a a dedicated

3531
02:33:41,780 --> 02:33:39,011
program people who are abductees just

3532
02:33:45,390 --> 02:33:41,790
happens to be born into that family and

3533
02:33:47,671 --> 02:33:45,400
it has nothing to do with people who are

3534
02:33:49,980 --> 02:33:47,681
smart or people who are dumb or people

3535
02:33:51,900 --> 02:33:49,990
who are in the government or critical

3536
02:33:54,780 --> 02:33:51,910
individuals well you've got to think

3537
02:33:57,060 --> 02:33:54,790
about it in terms of time well the thing

3538
02:33:59,600 --> 02:33:57,070
that I get from listening to you is that

3539
02:34:02,581 --> 02:33:59,610
this has to be a takeover from within so

3540
02:34:04,980 --> 02:34:02,591
alien hubris are integrated with society

3541
02:34:07,921 --> 02:34:04,990
they take leadership positions and over

3542
02:34:11,671 --> 02:34:07,931
time through their influence or extra

3543
02:34:14,700 --> 02:34:11,681
resources they control us does that mean

3544
02:34:16,081 --> 02:34:14,710
they become our positions I mean that's

3545
02:34:18,421 --> 02:34:16,091
like going to Vegas and playing and

3546
02:34:20,430 --> 02:34:18,431
playing a slot machine sure you don't

3547
02:34:22,680 --> 02:34:20,440
have to be a leader if you are the

3548
02:34:25,470 --> 02:34:22,690
general population and you could control

3549
02:34:27,930 --> 02:34:25,480
other people and the thing is you have

3550
02:34:29,430 --> 02:34:27,940
to understand time is on their sides if

3551
02:34:32,310 --> 02:34:29,440
this has been going on for almost a

3552
02:34:34,711 --> 02:34:32,320
hundred years then it is possible that

3553
02:34:37,440 --> 02:34:34,721
these beings live for very long periods

3554
02:34:38,400 --> 02:34:37,450
of time and they're not in a rush time

3555
02:34:41,520 --> 02:34:38,410
is on their side

3556
02:34:43,730 --> 02:34:41,530
time is relative for us we we measured

3557
02:34:46,501 --> 02:34:43,740
time and how long we live basically and

3558
02:34:49,020 --> 02:34:46,511
something goes 200 years long is it's a

3559
02:34:51,211 --> 02:34:49,030
long time that we will not be able to

3560
02:34:52,740 --> 02:34:51,221
see scientists today are trying to

3561
02:34:55,860 --> 02:34:52,750
extend our lives to an average of a

3562
02:35:01,291 --> 02:34:55,870
hundred years and eventually extend

3563
02:35:03,990 --> 02:35:01,301
their lives to average of 200 you know

3564
02:35:06,480 --> 02:35:04,000
some of the ancient biblical characters

3565
02:35:09,390 --> 02:35:06,490
who supposedly live centuries you know I

3566
02:35:11,190 --> 02:35:09,400
just thought that far now you're going

3567
02:35:13,470 --> 02:35:11,200
into the evidence free zone but the fact

3568
02:35:16,411 --> 02:35:13,480
is though that you have to assume that

3569
02:35:18,450 --> 02:35:16,421
time is on their side and it doesn't

3570
02:35:20,581 --> 02:35:18,460
mean as much to them as it does to us

3571
02:35:23,070 --> 02:35:20,591
okay but that's a fast question we have

3572
02:35:24,921 --> 02:35:23,080
a minute left or so can we stop it or is

3573
02:35:27,990 --> 02:35:24,931
this inevitable will we wake up our

3574
02:35:30,541 --> 02:35:28,000
descendants 200 years from now and we're

3575
02:35:32,580 --> 02:35:30,551
controlled by ET for whatever reason you

3576
02:35:35,520 --> 02:35:32,590
know there's a guy named Michael Menken

3577
02:35:38,370 --> 02:35:35,530
Lincoln makes hats that are filled with

3578
02:35:41,790 --> 02:35:38,380
a villa stat lining sort of plastic

3579
02:35:44,340 --> 02:35:41,800
lining and that abductee say stops stops

3580
02:35:46,590 --> 02:35:44,350
abductions if it stops any abductions at

3581
02:35:49,349 --> 02:35:46,600
all that's one guy who thought about

3582
02:35:52,469 --> 02:35:49,359
what we need is a large number of

3583
02:35:54,690 --> 02:35:52,479
scientists and academics who can put

3584
02:35:58,170 --> 02:35:54,700
their minds together and figure out how

3585
02:36:00,630 --> 02:35:58,180
to stop the abduction phenomenon that's

3586
02:36:02,340 --> 02:36:00,640
attained if it's real or ascertain if

3587
02:36:05,010 --> 02:36:02,350
it's real or whatever they how they have

3588
02:36:07,380 --> 02:36:05,020
to do fine we don't have that in fact

3589
02:36:09,360 --> 02:36:07,390
right now there is more hostility

3590
02:36:12,000 --> 02:36:09,370
towards the subject in the academic and

3591
02:36:14,490 --> 02:36:12,010
scientific community than ever before in

3592
02:36:18,030 --> 02:36:14,500
history and it's not just the abductions

3593
02:36:20,219 --> 02:36:18,040
it's UFOs as well when i target UFO

3594
02:36:22,050 --> 02:36:20,229
conferences i don't see a lot of younger

3595
02:36:24,929 --> 02:36:22,060
people coming in learning about it

3596
02:36:26,639 --> 02:36:24,939
they're not interested in UFOs it's all

3597
02:36:28,349 --> 02:36:26,649
for I think for most people now it's

3598
02:36:30,660 --> 02:36:28,359
just a matter of popular culture that

3599
02:36:32,969 --> 02:36:30,670
they see on the History Channel or TLC

3600
02:36:36,690 --> 02:36:32,979
or whatever it is you know it just

3601
02:36:39,210 --> 02:36:36,700
becomes sort of background noise there

3602
02:36:40,950 --> 02:36:39,220
is a certain degree of hostility to this

3603
02:36:42,660 --> 02:36:40,960
point of view in our forums we saw that

3604
02:36:44,250 --> 02:36:42,670
and that's why we asked for a lot of

3605
02:36:46,230 --> 02:36:44,260
questions to get around different

3606
02:36:48,300 --> 02:36:46,240
aspects of this okay would you tell our

3607
02:36:50,099 --> 02:36:48,310
listeners dr. David Jacobs where they

3608
02:36:52,679 --> 02:36:50,109
can go to find more information about

3609
02:36:56,370 --> 02:36:52,689
this and more subjects well I have a

3610
02:37:00,450 --> 02:36:56,380
website called UFO abduction singular no

3611
02:37:03,570 --> 02:37:00,460
s UFO abduction calm you can click

3612
02:37:04,980 --> 02:37:03,580
through to go to amazon.com for the

3613
02:37:07,349 --> 02:37:04,990
books you can learn a little bit about

3614
02:37:10,320 --> 02:37:07,359
my work although it hasn't been changed

3615
02:37:13,469 --> 02:37:10,330
in about a thousand years but a little

3616
02:37:15,360 --> 02:37:13,479
bit about my work there however you know

3617
02:37:17,280 --> 02:37:15,370
in in each book that I've written I've

3618
02:37:20,700 --> 02:37:17,290
I've recapped what's written written

3619
02:37:23,250 --> 02:37:20,710
before and so they can find out sort of

3620
02:37:25,469 --> 02:37:23,260
how I do it I do wish that I could you

3621
02:37:26,730 --> 02:37:25,479
know bug somebody's room and not that

3622
02:37:29,219 --> 02:37:26,740
having them know it and all the rest

3623
02:37:30,690 --> 02:37:29,229
that stuff and it's possible I could

3624
02:37:34,020 --> 02:37:30,700
probably do something that in the future

3625
02:37:37,650 --> 02:37:34,030
but I would like to have help yeah I

3626
02:37:39,960 --> 02:37:37,660
know the feeling I'm it's just me

3627
02:37:42,719 --> 02:37:39,970
there's then there's Yvonne Smith in Los

3628
02:37:44,490 --> 02:37:42,729
Angeles in this jed Turnbull in New York

3629
02:37:47,310 --> 02:37:44,500
City and

3630
02:37:49,440 --> 02:37:47,320
kathleen martin in florida and there's a

3631
02:37:52,140 --> 02:37:49,450
few others but but there aren't many

3632
02:37:55,560 --> 02:37:52,150
people who who have done this either and

3633
02:37:57,661 --> 02:37:55,570
who do a abduction though work we need

3634
02:38:00,360 --> 02:37:57,671
to have scientists and academics come

3635
02:38:02,610 --> 02:38:00,370
into the phenomenon and understand the

3636
02:38:05,461 --> 02:38:02,620
importance of it and deal with it as

3637
02:38:06,060 --> 02:38:05,471
best they can thank you very much dr.

3638
02:38:08,881 --> 02:38:06,070
Jacobs

3639
02:38:10,921 --> 02:38:08,891
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02:38:52,180 --> 02:38:45,940
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